[runarberg]

For the record, Greenland did not have a flag until 1985, but that has no bearing on the existence of the Greenlandic national identity. And it certainly does not give Denmark (with a flag created in the 13th century) any right displace say all of West Greenland and then refuse them the right of return.

[tasn]

I wasn't questioning that Palestinians have an identity nowadays. All I was saying is that this identify is based on "let's destroy Israel" and is a newer thing. There were no struggles for recognition as a Palestinian state in 1940, and anyway the lines drawn are arbitrary following the British and French mandates. The whole notion of this identify would have some legitimacy if the map drawn was some map of some ancestral land controlled by a group. Though they map they draw is just the state of Israel. They for some reasons don't want their supposed lands in Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria, and for whatever reason the land they claim follows the exact arbitrary lines drawn back then. That's also why you see internal wars in all of the region. It was just random disconnected tribes in the region.

Having an identity, not to mention one based on hate, doesn't automatically mean you'll get your wishes. E.g. ISIS wants a world under sharia law. They have a flag and that's what they want, doesn't mean we need to give them that.

[runarberg]

You are making up history and creating excuses. The state of Palestine existed in 1940 albeit as a colony of the UK. There was a popular demand for independence, and there was even a three year long revolt for independence which the British suppressed using armed violence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_...

Israel did not exist in 1936 so the claim that this identity is based on “lets destroy Israel” is ahistorical, and frankly, just made up by you. I would even go so far as calling this racist. You are supposing a political opinion and projecting hate over a whole people group. And comparing the national identity of Palestinians with ISIS indeed very racist. I hope you realize that.

Regarding the arbitrary borders, that also has no bearing on the notion of national identity. Most former colonies (by far) keep their colonial borders, even though those borders are arbitrary and cross ethnic lines, and included “random tribes”.

I also want to add, that I was being too kind to you in the post above. What you are doing here is very racist and has no place on a tech formum.

[tasn]

I meant to write 1910, the 1940 was a typo/brain-fart. The link you shared about the Arab revolt, that was a revolt because of British support in creating the state of Israel, so exactly what I said, reactionary to anti-Israel.

Israel does not need to exist for people to be against Israel, they can be against the imminent founding of Israel or the fact that Jews were buying lands in Mandatory Palestine.

Though you don't need to take my word for it, it literally says so in the Wikipedia article about Palestine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#History

I also didn't compare Palestinian to ISIS, you just misconstrued what I said.

> Regarding the arbitrary borders, that also has no bearing on the notion of national identity. Most former colonies (by far) keep their colonial borders, even though those borders are arbitrary and cross ethnic lines, and included “random tribes”.

Mandatory Palestine existed from 1920-1948, there was no such thing as Palestine before that. It was part of a larger region controlled by the Ottoman empire.

P.S, this will be the last response by me to this thread, as I don't think you're engaging in good faith based on this and other comments.

[runarberg]

I’m not gonna answer any of your points here on material grounds. I think they speak for them selves, and reveal what you are attempting to do here.

I am gonna admit that I am not arguing in good faith. Off course I am not, I believe you are arguing from a racist belief that the Palestinian people do not have the same rights to their existence as you. There is no good faith argument to be had against such belief. The best I can attempt is call it out for what it is, and hope the moderators take it from there.