[searealist]

Do you think there's a specific (whether public or hidden) criterion being used to deny Asian students based on "leadership abilities"? Or do you think they're simply being held to higher standards or subject to an informal quota?

[kenjackson]

I don’t think most people are denied based on any specific thing. Asians attend these elite schools at much higher rates than their population. If there was a school that admitted based on grades and test scores only they’d probably be even more highly represented.

College is no more a reward for school academic achievement as a basketball scholarship is for HS basketball achievement. They’re correlated but a lot more go into both.

[searealist]

The thing is, acceptance at these elite universities is _highly_ correlated with academic performance. It’s just that different racial groups are admitted in different ranges. You won’t find a single Asian at Harvard at or below the median Black SAT score. The range to be accepted as an Asian is also higher than Whites, which is higher than Latinos, which is higher than Blacks. How can you possibly explain this if it’s not a quota system based on race?

[kenjackson]

I don't think this is true. First, I don't think the SAT data exists for Harvard broken down in this way (if you have it, please link it). Furthermore, there were Asian students accepted in the 2nd and 3rd decile -- this is below the average for African American students almost certainly. So, I find your claim very likely to be false.

Now if you said that admissions has favored African American students in the Affirmative Action era over Asian students then I'd agree. But Affirmative Action is also over per last year's Supreme Court decision.

[searealist]

It's not just Black students over Asians, it is the entire gradient I outlined, and they continue to use race in admissions, they just obfuscate the reasons now.

[kenjackson]

Again, the statement you made earlier seems almost surely false.

And how do you know they continue to use race? You have access to data that the rest of us don't? Again, if you have data to support your claims then post a link.

[searealist]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v...

Compare the numbers for MIT who is somewhat complying vs the Ivy leagues who are mostly not complying.

I agree my original claim is likely not true. I should have said >95% of Asian's SAT scores are higher than the median Black SAT score.