[bearjaws]

Interesting to see that its tied to gmail, which already has pieces of this and is likely working towards the same things.

Notion is vastly superior to Sharepoint, OneNote and Docs, it's a shame MS and Google abuse their position to push inferior products for the same price.

[babyent]

No way. Google docs is amazing.

I could do search and replace for years. Notion only added that recently.

Imo notion is a fun tool. But it’s a toy.

It is slow and worse, not accurate at all, when you have any actual data (100+ items you’re actively working with), clunky interface, and is good if you’re a student taking notes and making forms, or doing something casual before you need something robust.

For anything else, Docs and Sheets are far superior and better products.

[jdgoesmarching]

Google Docs is the clunky mess here and gets away with it because they nailed collaboration early and competed with an even bigger clunkier mess in Microsoft Word. Word at least is a full featured word processor, whereas Google Docs is a struggles with anything more than basic layout or formatting needs.

Notion isn’t a word processor, but unless you’re specifically trying to craft documents it doesn’t need to be. It also isn’t a spreadsheet, and you’re going to have a bad time if you try to make it act as such.

If we’re being dismissive, Google Sheets is also a poor tool for “actual data.” Modern spreadsheet usage is just a pile of inefficient hacks to operate them as pseduo-DBs. Unless you’re in the finance or accounting world, in which case you’re probably using Excel, anything else would be better served by using more powerful open-source data analysis formats and tools.

I have a million complaints about Notion, but holding up Google Workspace as the paradigm of elite enterprise product design is a joke. Get back to me when I can take the markdown produced by Gemini Canvas and paste it into Docs without issues.

[babyent]

For starters, Google suite offers substantial storage so you can actually use it for doing those things, even if they're not as good as you want, for far longer.

And if you do want actual enterprise tier, lots of startups and even public companies use Google suite for all their teams.

[dkarl]

Even worse, it's a toy that people build elaborate things out of and then use them for business-critical functions. It's incredibly irritating to work with a Notion power user.

It must be great if you're a control freak, though. Get leadership to recognize your Notion doc as the source of truth, and then you get absolute control because nobody else wants to touch it.

[skerit]

> It is slow and worse, not accurate at all, when you have any actual data (100+ items you’re actively working with), clunky interface, and is good if you’re a student taking notes and making forms, or doing something casual before you need something robust.

I wish I could convince the people I work with of the same thing. Though I don't really have a better alternative either.

[anon7000]

Yeah. Docs and sheets are downright impressive pieces of web technology

[haliskerbas]

I agree. It's nice and fun for lifestyle use cases like organizing a small trip with a few friends.

[qwertytyyuu]

I disagree. OneNote is still the best for hierarchy hall Freeform notes.

[Eric_WVGG]

I wonder how much of that is simply due to the ability to use the Gmail API vs IMAP.

I’ve been knocking around the idea of building an email client, but IMAP looks like nightmare fuel. JMAP would be perfect but adoption looks like it’s going nowhere.

[edit] Seeing a lot of people here diss on Gmail. I don’t blame you, I want out too. If you want more options, lean on your email provider to start supporting JMAP. https://jmap.io

[isaachinman]

IMAP is indeed nightmare fuel.

We're building https://marcoapp.io

[hollandheese]

Notion is not in anyway whatsoever in the same category as OneNote. Tell me when it has handwriting support.

[dizhn]

They both recently sold AI to every customer by force. (Free ai, increased price)

[nashashmi]

Not MS yet. I am still paying extra

[TiredOfLife]

They are doing it in waves. When your account gets the price increase you can select cancel and will be offered the old price plan.

[dizhn]

Oh my friend told me they did it for 360 subscribers too. Maybe the conditions are different.

[nashashmi]

I keep hearing the same thing.

[packetlost]

Eh, Notion is fine. I quickly ran into scaling problems with it and the block-style editing is only really nice/useful if you're doing a lot of live collaboration.

That being said, I do like opinionated tools better than unopinionated ones (Google Doc) because it's less mental overhead to just make something. But I reach for plain markdown instead.