[arandomusername]

Every racist that has ever existed also drank water. So what?

To me it sounds like you are insinuating that wanting to preseve your culture is racist - I don't see any other point to your comment. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[const_cast]

No, however WHY you want to preserve your culture and HOW you intend to do it is what determines if it's racist.

A lot of people want to preserve their culture because they view it as superior. Historically, they view other cultures as lower-level, that of savages. They think themselves civilized. This is, obviously, racism.

And in regards to the how, what is the methodology? Do we perhaps build camps to put people of a certain brown complexion in? Do we round them up in the streets? How do you even tell who is who - by their skin tone? As you can see, there's a lot of potential for racism there.

[arandomusername]

People want to preserve their culture for the same reasons, because it is their culture, it is their identity. How? Simple. Stop bringing in people that do not share your culture inside your country in large numbers.

Historically, they thought other cultures to be not as civilized/savages because often those cultures were not as developed, or as civilized, and often contained human sacrifice rituals. Regardless, forcing their culture on them was wrong just like it is now.

The first step is stop mass immigration. Then revoke all non-highly-skilled labour visas etc. Then add a $50k/yr additional tax to all work related visas, paid by the employee.

Also, not talking about US since they made their bed by bringing in through slavery, but talking about majority of Europe.

It feels like you are so scared of being seen as racist that you will sacrifice your culture just so you don't get called a racist.

[const_cast]

> Also, not talking about US since they made their bed by bringing in through slavery, but talking about majority of Europe.

The majority of Europe is composed of formally colonialist nations. I am sorry, but to quote you, "they have made their bed".

> It feels like you are so scared of being seen as racist that you will sacrifice your culture just so you don't get called a racist.

I don't have a strong tie to my culture because I don't care much. My culture is lame, mostly. I already left my culture behind when I entered the melting pot. And, there is no American culture. We are a mixed and varied people.

You're proposed a lot of ideas here and, well, they're kind of shit. You're forgetting one teensy little detail - why are they good? Who does this help, and how? Okay, we revoke a bunch of work visas and make a bunch of people's lives worse... and then what? How does that bring economic and social prosperity to your nation?

See, you can't speak about mass immigration being a problem like that's a foregone conclusion. The US has had immigration on a level most European nations couldn't even fathom, and yet, economically we run laps around them.

Don't worry, we have our own anti-immigration people here. And yes, they're just as stupid and short-sighted. Trump is so anti-immigration he's willing to destroy our economy for a goal he cannot even articulate.

[arandomusername]

> The majority of Europe is composed of formally colonialist nations. I am sorry, but to quote you, "they have made their bed".

Colonized, but majority did not bring people over like US did with slavery. Colonizing a country in the past does not mean that country can now invade you. Anyone that was brought over during colonization time can stay, but that number is tiny.

> And, there is no American culture. We are a mixed and varied people.

Not anymore. Used to be a Christian nation with a mix of European culture - that's what it was founded on. This started to change after 1965 Immigration Act.

> why are they good? Who does this help

They are good because they preserve the nation's people. They help the nation.

> How does that bring economic and social prosperity to your nation?

Regarding social prosperity, take a look at London, Paris, NY, SF, Brussels, Berlin vs Warsaw, Prague, Helsinki. See which one is safer, see which one people are happier in, see which one is more socially prosperous.

Economic prosperity at the cost of your nation is not worth it. We don't need cheap food delivery.

> The US has had immigration on a level most European nations couldn't even fathom, and yet, economically we run laps around them.

And what has this economical prosperity brought you? Rampant crime, homelessness, zombie cities, healthcare accessible only to the wealthy, one of the biggest wealth inequality in the developed world.

Is it worth, sacrificing your country's identity so that the banker numbers go up? So that wall street makes more money?

[const_cast]

> Not anymore. Used to be a Christian nation with a mix of European culture - that's what it was founded on. This started to change after 1965 Immigration Act.

1. America was never a Christian nation. That's a far-right populist rewriting of history.

2. 1965 was quite a while ago! But even before then, European culture is extremely varied. Not to mention Chinese and Japanese immigrants before. It was a melting pot even then.

> They are good because they preserve the nation's people. They help the nation.

This means nothing, by the way. This is the problem with populist messaging. It's populist because it sounds good, but it also has to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

There's no substance, no logic, no reasoning. Just promises, built on appealing to emotions. A sense of national pride, of sovereignty. Past that, the details are TBD.

> Economic prosperity at the cost of your nation is not worth it. We don't need cheap food delivery.

Once again, this means nothing. "At the cost of your nation" is just a populist message, something a bit Hitler-y. But it's not an actual argument. What, specifically, is being lost?

> And what has this economical prosperity brought you? Rampant crime, homelessness, zombie cities, healthcare accessible only to the wealthy, one of the biggest wealth inequality in the developed world.

On the topic of crime because far-right populists just can't help but lie - crime in the US is down and has been trending down for decades. People like Trump will claim the opposite, because they are liars and in order to form a populist message you have to appeal to emotions (see above).

It's easy to convince people something needs to be done when you cater to their sense of survival. Of course, it's just not true, blatantly. It's not misinformation or disinformation - it is dishonesty. The same is true for many European nations. You're free to look at crime statistics. But, more importantly than being dishonest, the horse begets the carriage. Why does removing brown people fix crime? What's the mechanism for that? Is it because you propose, by their blood, they are more susceptible to crime? Ah, and there comes the racism I mentioned earlier. With far-right populist ideology, it always comes, if you just give it a squeeze. I have no doubt now you will say no, that's not the reason why, but I don't really care.

And, on some other topics:

1. Healthcare is the most accessible it's ever been in the US takes to the ACA. The far-right wants to dismantle this. This isn't a matter up for debate either, so please don't bother.

2. Wealth inequality is high because of the far-right repeatedly failing to tax the rich and letting them engage in anti-competitive behavior. Under populist far-right leaders like Trump, the wealth inequality will only increase.