[LeonM]

> native UI libraries need to step up their game in terms of approachability.

Gnome does this, you can develop apps in Typescript.

But, they started to migrate some of their own apps to Typescript and immediately received backlash from the community [0]. Although granted, the Phoronix forums can be quite toxic.

My observation is that there is just a big disconnect between younger devs who just want to get the job done, and the more old-school community that care about resource efficients. Both are good intentions that I can understand, but they clash badly. This unfortunately hinders progress on this point.

[0] https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoron...

[8-prime]

Cool, I didn't know that.

I agree that this is, at least often, a case of where your roots lie. Whats most shocking to me is that the likes of Apple and Mircosoft don't seem to be interested in/capable of building an actually good framework.

I feel like Microsoft tried with .NET Maui, but that really isn't a viable choice if you go by developer sentiment.

[hedora]

Typescript is a Microsoft project, so they did build an actually good framework. The swift work that Apple’s doing is pretty cool, though I haven’t used it in anger.

I come from an async/lock free C++ then Rust background, but am using typescript quite a bit these days. Rust is data race free because of the borrow checker. Swift async actors are too, by construction (similar to other actor based frameworks like Orleans). Typescript is trivially data race free (only one thread). Very few other popular languages provide that level of safety these days. Golang certainly does not.

I was benchmarking some single-treaded WASM rust code, and couldn’t figure out why half the runs were 2x slower than the other. It turns out I was accidentally running native half the time, so those runs were faster. I’m shocked the single core performance difference is so low.

Anyway, as bad a javascript used to be, typescript is actually a nice language with a decent ecosystem Like Rust and C++, its type system is a joy to work with, and greatly improves productivity vs. languages like Java, C#, etc.