[YZF]

The IDF is not "massacring civilians by the tens of thousands". You could argue the IDF is very loose with its targeting and is willing to go after military targets even if many civilians get hurt. The Hamas was significantly looser with their targeting with 10's of thousands of rockets fired randomly into population centers.

The situation is completely different. One action is a defensive response and the other was an offensive initiative. There is no reality in which the Hamas attack can be framed as defensive or justifiable by any western values. The IDF response however is very much in line with what western nations have actually done, e.g. the US response to 9/11, the response to ISIS, WW-II or any other war you can think of.

The US went to the other side of the world to get the people it thought wanted to harm it. There wasn't even any real threat to its territory or people. It was simply about deterrence and getting even and it was significantly more heavy handed. Similarly other western powers that went after ISIS. Israel to contrast is facing an existential threat and parts of the country are/were unlivable because of the threat of attacks. It has no option other than the complete removal of Hamas from Gaza (and Hezbollah from Southern Lebanon which has largely been accomplished).

[michaelsshaw]

>The situation is completely different. One action is a defensive

There's nothing defensive about embarking on a self-described colonial endeavour.

[YZF]

There's no colonial endeavor. Jewish people returning to their historical homeland is not a colonial endeavour. Arab expansion in the middle east is a colonial endeavor. European expansion to the Americas and other places is a colonial endeavor.

I don't know where you live, your nationality or heritage, but you're likely more of a colonizer than any Israeli. Since most are. I'll bet you think you have the right to defend yourself, your family, your nation.

EDIT: Also I should thank you for saying that. A lot of people try to pretend that if only Israel behaved differently then everyone would live happily ever after. Most do not even understand what "Palestine" is and what "Israel". Where's the West Bank and where's Gaza. But the Palestinians and the Arabs believe the Israelis are colonizers (of the entire region) and invaders and therefore they have the right to kill them, civilians or otherwise, until they repel them out of the region and Israelis do not have the right of self defense. This is of course absurd and would discourage many people from supporting their cause so they try their best to not say this outwardly. The truth is that if the Palestinians and the Arab countries recognized the Jewish people's legitimate rights in the region and were looking for peace we'd have peace a long time ago.

[michaelsshaw]

>There's no colonial endeavor. Jewish people returning to their historical homeland is not a colonial endeavour.

That's crazy because Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, definitely defined it as a colonial endeavour.

You should read his book: "The Jewish State: An Attempt at a Modern Solution to the Jewish Question", it's quite enlightening on exactly where this movement began and its historical motivations, which is absolutely the same MO as modern Israel.

Also the notion that people who are over 1000 years removed from a piece of land coming to violently remove current residents from their homes and massacre and imprison them for over 70 years isn't colonialism is absolutely ludicrous. Please seriously think about this sentence again. Think about it hard, like, harder than you've ever thought before.

>Arab expansion in the middle east is a colonial endeavor.

It's clear after you typed these first two sentences that you're probably a genocidal maniac, like approximately 57 percent of the Israeli population who believe that the current amount of force used is still not enough.

>Arab countries recognized the Jewish people's legitimate rights in the region and were looking for peace we'd have peace a long time ago.

There is absolutely zero legitimacy to the Zionist regime.

[gryzzly]

You just show how antisemitic you are for all to see.

[michaelsshaw]

Enlighten me as to what specific statements are anti-semitic? Do you equate Zionism with Judaism? Do you believe that the Zionist state represents the views of all Jews worldwide?

[gryzzly]

delimtization, demonization and double standards are all very present in all your messages.