[viccis]

> Tech is one thing, but social credit scores and the level of censorship seem regressive rather than progressive to me.

I can't stress enough how you need to do your own research on this stuff. American propaganda has depicted China as a ruthless peasant state for decades, and it's only in recent years that news like this has opened peoples' eyes to the fact that that all was a cover for the fact that they've passed us in recent decades.

https://merics.org/en/comment/chinas-social-credit-score-unt...

tl;dr: The "social credit score" is mostly myth. From the article:

>By 2019, China’s central authorities were stating explicitly that they were not happy with the idea. They issued formal clarifications that scores could not be used to penalize citizens and that only formal legal documents could serve as grounds for penalties.

Compare this to the US, in which things like DUIs on your background can be used to deny you Constitutional rights. There's no nothing exceptional about how they're doing things over there when it comes to this.

[clipsy]

> Compare this to the US, in which things like DUIs on your background can be used to deny you Constitutional rights.

Can you elaborate on what you mean here?

[_kava]

There are many reports of international students having their statuses, i.e. permission to stay in the US, revoked for being involved in legal matters. The wording of the revocation is vague so nothing is certain but these students reported they have never done any crime except DUIs/DWIs/traffic incidents.

The status revocations are sudden and opaque. The students do not have an opportunity to appeal nor explain. They immediately become illegals once the decision is made and thus become subjects to detainment without due process. In practice they must immediately make arrangements to leave the US or they will risk future visa bans as them being in the country without status can also be considered violating immigration laws.

So, hypothetically, someone who came to the US for a bachelor and decided to go for a PhD, spending about 10 years here, can be forced to abandon everything in matters of days. A tricky situation, yet completely overshadowed by the tariff news and ignored by the masses.

[clipsy]

Thanks, I hadn't heard about DUIs being used as a justification for revoking status.

(I'm all for treating DUIs seriously, but using a one time offense as justification for such serious consequences seems over the top to me; obviously the lack of transparency and due process make the whole thing much more troubling as well.)

[thfuran]

I've not heard about DUIs being used to revoke visas, but I've definitely heard about criminal records making it hard to get visas. And that's not just in the US.

[viccis]

You will be denied the rights to carry arms in many states if you have a DUI.