[AnthonyMouse]

They're not inherently heavier. They're only heavier if you put a long-range battery in them, even then it's not by very much, and even that may not persist as higher energy density batteries are developed.

Or to put it another way, the difference between a small car and a large SUV is far greater than the difference between an electric car and a gasoline car.

[Spooky23]

A Tesla Model Y is 30% heavier than a Honda CRV. They have alot of other advantages, and are about the same weight as a three-row SUV and lighter than a Tahoe on a truck frame.

We shouldn’t be singling out EVs if we suddenly care about tire wear… it’s pretty ridiculous.

[AnthonyMouse]

The lightest current Tesla Model Y is ~25% heavier than the lightest current Honda CR-V. The heaviest current Model Y is ~12% heavier than the heaviest current CR-V (hybrid). A Jeep Grand Wagoneer is ~280% heavier than a Nissan Versa.

[Spooky23]

Again, bike-shedding stats on EVs is a waste of time if you care about pollution from tire wear.

If we want to reduce particulate pollution, we’d have regulations to govern acceleration on EVs, make tire monitoring more annoying, and have manufacturers certify tires and make compliance required during state emissions inspections, and get aggressive about the motor carrier overweight enforcement.

If Tesla or other EVs have a problem here, it’s that they are putting inappropriate tires on the cars.

[Retric]

There’s a great deal possible that could reduce pollution that has nothing to do with tires. Outlawing non hybrid gas / diesel cars for example would be a significant step forward. As would favoring rail over big rig trucking etc.

Instead the topic is almost exclusively brought up as an attack without any real world studies supporting the ideas presented. Because actual studies show EV’s improve air quality over ICE engines.

[Spooky23]

I think we violently agree with respect to EVs… it’s just whataboutism.

But I do think tires are a significant environmental problem, especially in urban areas and when combined with diesel soot. We’re also poisoning soil by allowing shredded tires to be used as mulch, which is gross in many levels. Shredded tires are also used as aggregate for roads, so road wear also contributes to particulate pollution from tires.

[Retric]

Those are wildly different crossovers. That glass roof on the Y adds a lot of weight, it’s kind of silly how popular such an impractical feature became.

The other common issue with EV’s is many don’t integrate the batteries casing as a structural element. Skipping the lead acid battery would also be useful, but that’s a different issue.

[merman]

Size for size they’re heavier. Maybe someday not but they are.

[philjohn]

But the fact that EV brakes don't wear at nearly the same rate as ICE brakes still stands.

My EV6 (pretty heavy car) manual explicitly says "you should probably do some hard breaking from moderate speed to prevent corrosion on the brake discs".

Because 90+% of the time when you press the brake pedal the friction brakes aren't being used at all, it's all regen.

[iknowstuff]

The Standard Range model 3 weighs 3,582 lbs, while the Long Range and Performance trims both weigh 4,065 lbs.

The BMW 3 Series has a curb weight ranging from 3,536 to 4,180 pounds

[potato3732842]

Drives me up the wall that medium sedans curb in the same ballpark as fullsize trucks from the 70s and 80s.

[rowanG077]

It's true they are not that much heavier in terms of pure numbers. But road wear is a proportional to the difference in axle weight to the fourth power.

[pornel]

But this also means that almost all of the wear is from trucks.

This whole meme comes from junk science (https://www.emissionsanalytics.com/news/pollution-tyre-wear-...)

> we found that the car emitted 5.8 grams per kilometer of particles. Compared with regulated exhaust emission limits of 4.5 milligrams per kilometer, the completely unregulated tyre wear emission is higher by a factor of over 1,000.

They took plastic shedded by a gas car on non-EV tires, and compared it by weight to safety limits for gaseous emissions. This makes as much sense as saying that a lump of coal has 1,000 times more carbon than the safety limits for carbon monoxide.

[jodrellblank]

That doesn't pass a sniff test; emitting 5 grams of tyre rubber per kilometer, a 12Kg tyre would be completely vanished in 3000km but really they can last 60,000km with only the tread worn down beyond safe levels and the bulk of the tyre still there.

[hugh-avherald]

Looks like mg was changed to a g, though I'd suggest even then the estimate is too high (but probably to the correct order of magnitude).

[rowanG077]

What meme? The article you linked talks about tire wear. Not road wear. I didn't even touch on tire wear. Road wear is well studied. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

I really can't place your comment, you simply start talking about something completely unrelated to what I was talking about.