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Israel authorised 20 civilians to be killed for every 1 hamas fighter at the beginning of the war https://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-military-idf-civili.... That's laughably inhumane. Not even russia comes close to this brazen disregard for human life. This is about recognising that all innocent human life is equal, and whichever civilian population is receiving the most suffering deserves the most aid and support consequently. 1 Palestinian life has the same value as 1 Israeli life.

Again there is no "colonialist oppression". Israel was formed in 1948 under fire. 5 to 7 Arab countries attacked the Jews when this country was formed. Why? Why didn't they attack Lebanon when they were formed? or Iraq? or Syria? They were formed by the same colonial powers that formed Israel? Why were Jews not allowed to buy land in their "Mecca"? You're speaking nonsense. Again, you are ignoring what is happening here. Israel did not attack anyone. They were attacked by Hamas, and this is not the first time. Israel left Gaza in 2005, Hamas got elected 2006 and ever since it has been nonstop attacks on Israel. Israel tried to avoid wars by "mowing the lawn" which meant small strategic strikes to try and quell the attacks. After oct 7 it just became clear that they cannot leave Hamas in power. If you truly wanted peace you would turn your attention to Hamas not Israel. You would not overlook the fact that Hamas has embedded itself in the civilian population for the past 16 years, that has indoctrinated the Palestinians to hate Israelis and Jews, trained soldiers, child soldiers, embedded their munitions in civilian structures, hospitals, mosques, schools, built tunnels under the entierty of Gaza. How are you overlooking all of this?

I'm not. All that I ask you to acknowledge is that 60,000+ dead civillians is worse than 1,200 dead civillians when you weight all human lives the same. Can you do that?

Even if that's true the civilian to combatant death ratio is around 1:1, while in most urban combat scenarios it's 9:1. You are still overlooking what Hamas did on Oct 7. Don't forget that Hamas started this conflict. You can keep attacking Israel to try and keep me on the defense, that doesn't make you right or even convincing.

I just want you to give equal value to one innocent Palestinian life as you do one innocent Israeli life. Can you do that for me?

I give value to every life, why don't you hold murderers responsible for their actions? Hamas is not innocent. .. btw I can't respond to you comments directly for some .. mysterious.. reason.

Hamas was not created by Israel. Hamas was not voted in by Israel. Israel did not attack Israel. Stop blaming Israel for Hamas.

I never said Hamas was innocent, I wholly welcome the ICC prosecution of Hamas leaders as I do for Israeli leaders, they both need to answer for their crimes. But when all innocent human lives are equal those who are experiencing the most suffering should get the most support? Do you agree? The only atrocities we can stop are the ones that are happening now.

https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-funded-hamas-claims-e...

It makes sense when you value one innocent israeli life the exact same as one innocent palestinian life. And Gaza hasn't had elections since 2007, and the acting European Union policy chief Josep Borell has stated on record Israel and Netenyahu deliberately funded Hamas to hinder the credibility of the Palestinian Authority, and reduce positive sentiment toward the Palestinian people, which obviously worked.

Not at all, the ICC is a kangaroo court. They issued a warrant for Netanyahu and a dead Hamas leader. That is insane. Also have you seen the U.N.s resolution against Israel?! They have more resolutions against Israel than against the rest of the world combined! I can't explain that except for either some foreign interest funding them to condemn Israel in this way, possibly anti-semitism, or maybe the entire body was co-opted by malicious actors. Just as a point of comparison about how one sided and strange the criticism of Israel is, recently a mass grave was found in Syria with 100,000 dead in it. That's more than twice this entire war, plus they were NOT combatants. That's Bashar Al-Assad. To top it off he is also killed an additional 600,000 of his own citizens. The war in Yemen, largely perpetrated by the Houthis (another Iranian militia, much like Hamas, and Hizbollah) killed another 400,000 people. These are insane numbers and these are not defensive wars. Yet somehow Israel is worse? Iran has murdered who knows how many of their civilians since 1979, North Korea, Russia, but a tiny democracy in the middle east is the devil? It's complete bs. The Israel conflict is somehow popular, it's just anti -westernism coupled with support for socialism / communism for some odd reason, which is popular at the moment, mixed in with anti-semitism.. anti-zionism is the same thing btw. Zionism as described in modern political terms started around 1880, that's 145 years ago! There is no Zionism anymore. Also, it's a weird term. As I've mentioned basically all jews are "zionists" because they will all gravitate to "zion" which is a mountain in Jerusalem. It's the same as Muslims gravitating towards Mecca. If I was "anti-maccanism" it's the same as being anti-muslim.

Yes, these all are wars, conflicts and massacres that have already happened and we can do nothing about. The current atrocitiy against the palestinians needs to be stopped. I'll ask you again do you believe the side with the most innocent suffering deserves the most support.

PS. I am not on the "side" of israel or palestine, if Israel were to have these numbers and systemic colonialist oppression I would jump to supporting them and pushing for humanitarian support. I just recognise the moral reality of the situation. Me, and most people like me, are on the side of humanitarianism, because all lives are equal, and so are all deaths.