[ang_cire]

Oh look, the "ample evidence" link you provide is ALSO an opinion statement, and it's written by...

> Elie Wiesel, Prof Alan Dershowitz, R James Woolsey, Elliott Abrams, Tom Gross, Prof Judea Pearl, Douglas Murray

Hmmmm, none of those people are famously biased towards Israel....

Also, you are misusing Credentials Fallacy to dismiss the difference between factual reporting and opinion. If I dismissed a peer-reviewed study you posted by saying that YOU aren't a scientist/expert, THAT would be Credential Fallacy. It doesn't just mean that you have to accept all sources and claims as equal. "You just dismissed my Infowars link without even providing a detailed refutation, and just trusted the CDC instead! Fallacy!"

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No. I'm saying what you call "factual reporting" is inaccurate and dishonest propaganda. And the "opinion pieces" I'm sharing are all based on facts and realities.

If any source is deserving of a comparison to InfoWars here it's HRW itself. You can't unilaterally smear every right-of-center source as completely untrustworthy and expect to stay on the side of reality for long.

[ang_cire]

Ah yes, the very dishonest and propagandistic Associated Press:

> Israeli strikes on Gaza kill 32, mostly women and children (Apr 6)

[1] https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-new...

> An Israeli strike hit near a charity kitchen in Gaza as Palestinians gathered for food (Apr 7)

[2] https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-new...

> Palestinian teenager who died in Israeli prison showed signs of starvation, medical report says (Apr 6)

> Starvation was likely the leading cause of death for a Palestinian teenager who died in an Israeli prison, according to an Israeli doctor who observed the autopsy.

[3] https://apnews.com/article/autopsy-palestinian-deaths-israel...

Or how about Business Insider?

> Israel's 'Where's Daddy?' AI system helps target suspected Hamas militants when they're at home with their families, report says

[4] https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-ai-system-wheres-dadd...

The Georgetown Security Studies Review?

> The Dehumanization of ISR: Israel’s Use of Artificial Intelligence In Warfare

> “At 5 a.m., [the air force] would come and bomb all the houses that we had marked,” B. said, an anonymous IDF soldier. “We took out thousands of people. We didn’t go through them one by one—we put everything into automated systems, and as soon as one of [the marked individuals] was at home, he immediately became a target. We bombed him and his house.”

[5] https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2025/01/09/the-d...

Is there any news source apart from Netanyahu himself that you would accept as true for showing that the IDF was not taking measures not to kill women and children in Gaza?

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Actually, yes, the associated press is deeply far-left and anti-Israel (the two go together).

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4519187-who-radicalized...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/flashback-former-associated-p...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/board-member-of-politico-owne...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/jewish-group-sues-ap-for-prov...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/terrorists-themselves-former-...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/ap-hits-new-low-with-charisma...

And, what are the point of your links? Isarel accidentally kills civilians, which is virtually unavoidable in urban warfare. Hamas hides behind civilians in order to increase civilian casualties because they know the far left news will report on it to their favor. And, they purposely kill Israeli civilians because they are terrorists. One side is pure evil. The other is doing better than just about every nation in the world in fighting a just war.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/hamas-kidnaps-tortures-and-mu...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/idf-reveals-terrorists-brutal...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/yarden-bibas-describes-hamas-...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/american-israeli-hersh-goldbe...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/hamas-leader-using-at-least-1...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/hamas-loves-dead-palestinians

[ang_cire]

> deeply far-left and anti-Israel (the two go together)

Ah, so now you're just pivoting to "left-leaning means untrue/ propaganda".

And since you just ignored BI and GSSR, I assume you don't have anything to counter that.

In the end, you're nothing but a propagandist pushing pro-Israel narratives through opinion pieces and actual propaganda sites like Daily Wire.

No allegations beaten, as usual.

> Isarel accidentally kills civilians, which is virtually unavoidable in urban warfare.

Israel's false narrative of civilian casualty minimization has completely collapsed (not least of all because they have now cut off all supplies for 2 months, and publicly discussed removing all Palestinians from Gaza (ethnic cleansing), and the international community is wise to it, which is why Israel is now having to literally paint anyone and everyone from the UN, the ICC, HRW, the Red Cross/ Red Crescent, food aid programs, news orgs from every country, people from every end of the political spectrum, and just literally anyone who questions their narrative, as liars and propagandists. Look at the comments here if you doubt that people have wisened up.

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> Ah, so now you're just pivoting to "left-leaning means untrue/ propaganda".

No, I said far-left goes hand-in-hand with being ant-Israel. Do you know what words mean? I actually do think the far-left is wrong about just about everything, but they do often mix falsehoods with things that are true, so of course not everything they say is untrue.

> And since you just ignored BI and GSSR, I assume you don't have anything to counter that.

No, I'm just not going to take the time to address every article in particular, which you have no room to complain about, given you completely ignored every article I linked.

Looking at the BI article, for instance, they talk about "proportionality", which is a completely bogus and corrupt idea of warfare. You don't fight to respond proportionality; you fight to win and to win decisively. I have no interest in kowtowing to morally bankrupt leftwing morality.

> In the end, you're nothing but a propagandist pushing pro-Israel narratives through opinion pieces and actual propaganda sites like Daily Wire.

Every pro-Hamas rally is filled with people who hate America and the west. I know I am on the side of good and you are on the side of depraved evil, and I will fight to defend what is right.

> and publicly discussed removing all Palestinians from Gaza (ethnic cleansing)

That's not what ethnic cleansing is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

There has to be intent to make the area homogenous. The people of Gaza voted in Hamas and have been working to destroy Israel ever since. It is well within Israel's right to remove them, and I fully support them if it comes to that.

> Look at the comments here if you doubt that people have wisened up.

I actually I saw other comments, that were not downvoted, of people explaining how HRW is biased and conflicted. And, HN has always been deeply-left leaning. I'm happy to trade away some karma to speak the truth to people like you.