[rickydroll]

I'll probably get downvoted for this. When I started dating a woman from Israel, her stories didn't jive with the stories we hear here. So I started digging into it and understood why she said it was such a mess and there was no way anybody outside of Israel could understand what was going on.

I'm not saying this as a form of both-sides-ism, but an acknowledgment that it's a shitshow and may never be untangled least of by US/EU.

[disgruntledphd2]

It is a complete shitshow, and one can like Israelis and believe that they are mostly good people, while also believing that what is happening to the Palestinians is super, super wrong.

[selimthegrim]

The book My Enemy, My Self by Yoram Binur from just before the first intifada I thought was a pretty penetrating insight.