[consp]

SE will one day realize they are as screwed as the average worker and unionize in some way. The endless money pits are not for every SE, even today the majority does not work for the creme-de-creme of well paying companies. While specialists and smooth talkers might profit from the current model, as always is the case, most won't.

[IX-103]

Unions are a bad solution to the problem of companies not vaulting their employees. Unfortunately, without altruism by the corporations or governments action, they are also the only effective solution.

I'd prefer we look to other countries that have solved the problem in other ways, such as including representatives of the employees in the board.

Also, we need to remember that corporations exist at the mercy of the state, having received a special dispensation (corporate charter) to exist. Those companies that are not a net benefit to society have no right to exist and ought to be dissolved.

[briandear]

Then when they unionize, all the software jobs will head to cheaper locales. Unless of course you’re suggesting that the U.S. use tariffs on labor to prevent that?

[LPisGood]

“If you unionize, all the jobs will leave” is the oldest refrain in the book for those opposed to united labor.

[WillPostForFood]

So maybe it is wisdom? It's not like it isn't true. Look where auto manufacturing investment in the US is. Southern non-union states.

[aylmao]

It's extortion. Sometimes the extorting party can act on its threats, sometimes they can't.

In regards to the auto industry, I'm not sure what you mean by "look where auto manufacturing investment in the US is". Most auto manufacturing jobs are still in the rust belt [1]. Most EV Production investment is in the rust belt [2].

[1]: https://engaging-data.com/auto-manufacturing-state/

[2]: https://www.assemblymag.com/articles/98988-ten-us-states-dom...

[HarHarVeryFunny]

If the goal is to have high paying jobs in the US, then yes the government should put penalties in place to encourage that. US cost of living (housing, real estate taxes, health care costs, college costs, etc) is way higher than many countries, especially those where jobs are being offshored to, especially India, so salaries have to be higher here.

So, do we let US companies invest US consumer derived revenue in the Indian economy, just to boost profits a bit, or do we protect good jobs at home instead, and have a virtuous circle where US profits get plowed back into the US economy?

[disgruntledphd2]

Most other countries have much stronger unions and labour laws.

[wqaatwt]

Sure but when it comes to tech US currently (supposedly) has very high labor costs and weak labor laws. All other countries with a tiny number of exceptions have low to very low labor costs and more regulation.

If US has both it might shift the scale a bit.

[SiempreViernes]

> Then [...] all the software jobs will head to cheaper locales

Dude, how have you completed missed the ongoing push for AI to replace developers?

[9rx]

I only see a push for AI to produce more developers. How could AI, as we know it today, even replace developers?

More developers isn't at odds with the previous comment. That is how you can more easily push the jobs to low cost areas! When 张三 in rural China is given his first computer he can jump right into being a programmer too. Thus you can give him the job instead of a high priced developer in America.

[fragmede]

I want to build a thing. Before AI it would take 1 year and a team of five developers. Now with ai, it's gonna take you 6 months and 3 developers. Those two developers didn't get jobs because of AI.

[9rx]

You haven't replaced developers with that.

You haven't even put developers out of job as you must remember that I also wanted to build a thing, but couldn't because you had all the available developers tied up. Now there are two freed up who can come work for me. There is no end to all the software we want to write.

[fragmede]

That is the hope! Only time will tell if this tech is deflationary or inflationary though. You also want to build a thing, but do you have funding for it? in this economy?

[Vinnl]

I work for a US org that also hires internationally, including Europeans like me. It does location-based pay, so we're much cheaper than especially my Silicon Valley colleagues, yet somehow, we keep hiring there more than we are in Europe.