[ElevenLathe]

Feel free! I'm just a lone left wing lunatic trying to make common cause with the libs, but it's tough. Hopefully we can at least get together on trying to defeat Trumpism but unfortunately your attitude also persists in the Democratic party apparatus itself.

[krapp]

The big reason the Democrats lost is that they tried to appeal to the right and only alienated their own base which was already disillusioned by Biden. They keep running as the status quo party when neither side wants the status quo.

These people put up a gallows and noose on the Capitol, but ours is the side which has to remain civil? You don't defeat fascism by capitulating to it.

[kelipso]

They tried to appeal to the right by appealing to neocons. But neocons are mostly anti-Trump and going to vote Democrat anyway. It was a weird and very disorganized campaign.

[ElevenLathe]

Both things are true, which is actually crazy: the 2024 party tried to outflank Trump on the right by doing bizarre stuff like parading around Liz Cheney and sending Bill Clinton to Dearborn. Now, when they should be formulating a positive view of why people should vote for them, they're trying to figure out why Trump voters are so dumb. They're not a serious political party anymore. The only route I see forward is the long road of organizing normal people in things like labor unions, tenant unions, leftist gun clubs, etc. Most of the infrastructure that the right builds with money can be replicated in 2025 with dedicated volunteers and little actual cash.