[michaelsshaw]

Boeing was involved with the Saturn V. The only vehicle to take humans beyond LEO, decades before I was even born. No excuses for rockets that don't work in this day and age. I say good luck to SpaceX matching that record.

BTW, I'm not defending Boeing, more just some spacex hate :p

[octopoc]

> No excuses for rockets that don't work in this day and age.

Please point out the rocket that has a perfect record. Saturn V had failures too FYI. Besides, cost and global politics are at play as well. Musk and Putin are indeed the only options but Musk is American and also cheaper ($2,720/kg) than Putin's ($4,320/kg)[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_launch_market_competitio...

[michaelsshaw]

It had one single failure in 13 launches, like 60 fucking years ago. Would you consider that a better ratio than Starship?

Apollo 8, first manned mission of the SV, to the moon and back. Total success. I'd like to see anyone at SpaceX with that kind of balls.

Also, not a fan of your American = better framing. American is often inferior. For example, I only fly airbus because I value my life.