[mubou]

LLMs don't approximate human thought, though. They approximate language. That's it.

Please, I'm begging you, go read some papers and watch some videos about machine learning and how LLMs actually work. It is not "thinking."

I fully realize neural networks can approximate human thought -- but we are not there yet, and when we do get there, it will be something that is not an LLM, because an LLM is not capable of that -- it's not designed to be.

[gwd]

> LLMs don't approximate human thought, though. ...Please, I'm begging you, go read some papers and watch some videos about machine learning and how LLMs actually work.

I know how LLMs work; so let me beg you in return, listen to me for a second.

You have a theoretical-only argument: LLMs do text prediction, and therefore it is not possible for them to actually think. And since it's not possible for them to actually think, you don't need to consider any other evidence.

I'm telling you, there's a flaw in your argument: In actuality, the best way to do text prediction is to think. An LLM that could actually think would be able to do text prediction better than an LLM that can't actually think; and the better an LLM is able to approximate human thought, the better its predictions will be. The fact that they're predicting text in no way proves that there's no thinking going on.

Now, that doesn't prove that LLMs actually are thinking; but it does mean that they might be thinking. And so you should think about how you would know if they're actually thinking or not.

[Sohcahtoa82]

> it will be something that is not an LLM

I think it will be very similar in architecture.

Artificial neural networks already are approximating how neurons in a brain work, it's just at a scale that's several orders of magnitude smaller.

Our limiting factor for reaching brain-like intelligence via ANN is probably more of a hardware limitation. We would need over 100 TB to store the weights for the neurons, not to mention the ridiculous amount of compute to run it.

[codedokode]

> not to mention the ridiculous amount of compute to run it.

How does the brain computes the weights then? Or maybe your assumption than brain is equivalent to a mathematical NN is wrong?

[yahoozoo]

How much compute do you think the human brain uses? They're training these LLMs with (hundreds of) thousands of GPUs.

[handfuloflight]

Isn't language expressed thought?

[fwip]

Language can be a (lossy) serialization of thought, yes. But language is not thought, nor inherently produced by thought. Most people agree that a process randomly producing grammatically correct sentences is not thinking.