[ivan_gammel]

> There is this kind of American patriotism

Doesn‘t look much different from Russian, Israeli or Chinese patriotism. When outsiders criticize your tribe for doing bad things, many are standing in support of the tribe, not the values, and they are the most visible.

[palata]

Sure. But when the US threaten to invade an ally militarily, therefore destroying the status of "allies" for the foreseeable future and looking more like enemies, I suppose it's more shocking for those ex-allies than... say... when the US find a bullshit reason to invade Irak.

[DeathArrow]

Isn't it natural to support your people?

[ivan_gammel]

It is false association. Your government != your people. It is not natural to defend your government regardless of their actions.

[palata]

Probably, but if your dad starts beating a kid in the street, I hope you'll do something about it. Also for your dad's sake and for your family reputation.