[sneak]

The conf.d isn’t because the config file is large. It’s because it’s easier to disable or enable something with an “echo blah > conf.d/10-addin.conf” or an “rm conf.d/50-blah.conf” than it is to do sed -i or grep blah || echo blah >>

[claudex]

Also, it allows different packages to handle the configuration and add their specific parameters.

[shawnz]

Exactly: if your templating logic accidentally produces a syntax error, now you can't log in to SSH. There's much less chance of that scenario with include directories. This applies for infrastructure as code scenarios, changes made by third party packages, updates of ssh, manual one-off changes, etc.

[wruza]

If any logic produces a syntax error anywhere in the sshd_config include chain, ssh is broken now. And you will have templating logic in automatic configuration one way or another, at least for different dns/ips.

I don't grep this argument at all. It feels like everyone's comparing to that "regular [bad] detergent" in this thread. A templating system will be as good and as error-prone to change and as modular etc as you make it, just like any program.

It applies only to local patchers (like e.g. certbot nginx) and manual changes, but that's exactly out of scope of templating and configuration automation. So it can't be better, cause these two things are in XOR relationships.

Edit to clarify: I don't disagree with foo.d approach in general. I just don't get the arguments that in automation setting it plays any positive role, when in fact you may step on a landmine by only writing your foo.d/00-my. Your DC might have put some crap into foo.d/{00,99}-cloud, so you have to erase and re-create the whole foo.d anyway. Or at least lock yourself into a specific cloud.

[shawnz]

It's still possible to break the config with a syntax error, but there are less kinds of syntax errors that are possible if you aren't writing into the middle of an existing block of syntax. For example, there's no chance that you unintentionally close an existing open block due to incorrect nesting of options or anything like that. Plus, if you are writing into the middle of an existing file, there's a chance you could corrupt other parts of the file besides the part you intended to write. For example, if you have an auto-generated section that you intend to update occasionally, you will need to make sure you only delete and recreate the auto-generated parts and don't touch any hand-written parts, which could involve complicated logic with sentinel comments, etc. Then you need to make sure that users who edit the file in future don't break your logic. In addition it's harder to test your automation code when you're writing into an existing file because there's more edge cases to deal with regarding the surrounding context, etc.

[wruza]

Templating doesn't write in the middle. Writing in the middle is a medieval rudiment of manual configuration helpers. Automated config generation simply outputs a new file every time you run "build" and then somehow syncs it to the target server. All "user" changes go into templates, not outputs. What you're talking about can exist, but it is a mutable hell that is not reproducible and thus cannot be a part of a reliable infrastructure.

If this is not how modern devops/fleet management works, I withdraw my questions cause it's even less useful than my scripts.