[gonzo41]

The US treatment of Ukraine is having a massive impact on how everyone thinks about security.

All the US had to do was supply it's old weapons to Ukraine whilst replenishing it's stock (creating jobs in America) and things would have been fine. Now we're all in a world were Europeans are openly talking about developing nuclear weapons. Taiwan is totally on it's own, and Greenland is worried about being annexed.

There's real trouble coming.

[8note]

canada is also worried about being annexed, and that nato partners wont heed the call to article 5 against a US invasion and naval blockade

[CapricornNoble]

> All the US had to do was supply it's old weapons to Ukraine whilst replenishing it's stock (creating jobs in America) and things would have been fine.

Well, no, it's not fine, partly because we can't replenish our stocks fast enough. Ukraine is consuming nearly the entire planet's production capacity of Patriot missiles, eating enough of our ATACMS stockpile that it makes Combatant Commanders nervous, and more. To say nothing of the argument "supply Ukraine for as long as it takes, even if that means indefinitely" never made any sense; actions taken without a clear, achievable end goal in mind are just a waste of resources.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/d...

https://www.bruegel.org/analysis/us-defence-industrial-base-...

[dboreham]

Quick note that Europeans have had nuclear weapons since 1945.

[ttyprintk]

Europe is openly talking about its own cooperative nuclear umbrella. Trump is correct that he deserves 100% of credit/blame for that, taking the heat for Putin.

[petre]

It will be done by your friends the French, even if not to everyone. Poland is very keen on it.

In fact they are reopening and massively developing an airbase that will be hosting nukes near Colmar, 200 km from the German border. That's a 6 minute flight for a Dassault Rafale.

[refurb]

It sounds like you’re arguing for the military industrial complex.

“The Ukraine war is great because it creates US jobs through weapons manufacturing. Yeah, we might get our hair a bit mussed with the hundreds of thousands of deaths, but net-net it’s a win!”