[seydor]

Suppose you even find those workers. How are american products going to compete with cheaper chinese / european ones. People over there are used to much lower wages / purchasing power. You can look at Tesla vs BYD prices as an example

[coderenegade]

More likely the goal is for foreign companies to set up factories in the US for the domestic market. The US market is too big for most industries to ignore, and as they move manufacturing there, they skill up the US population.

Industries don't exist in isolation, and you need to be able to make simpler things in order to cultivate the know-how to make complex things. If China makes better phones, it won't be long until they make better drones. This is as much a strategic initiative as it is an economic one.

And BYD should be a wake up call that the US cannot compete in high value goods anymore.

[anonfordays]

>If China makes better phones, it won't be long until they make better drones.

They already do. China makes the best drones. Most of the drones in the world, most of the drones use in wars, etc. are manufactured in China, or are comprised of mostly Chinese parts.

[coderenegade]

I'm referring to the ones that carry a Q designation, not the DJI kind. China hasn't yet caught up in that domain. Electric drones are seeing a lot of use in Ukraine and other conflicts, but they aren't helping to establish air superiority.

[mrguyorama]

China has direct copies of our Reaper drones, they aren't some advanced technology, they are very simple craft actually, and descend from essentially target drones and some toys the navy put together in the 80s.

>but they aren't helping to establish air superiority.

A reaper style drone does nothing for air superiority. It's not meant to. It's a surveillance and ground attack platform. It has no means of equipping or targeting actual air to air munitions meant for Air Superiority.

Why did you believe the MQ9 was relevant to air superiority? Or some special machine that China couldn't make?

[coderenegade]

Reapers aren't the only military drones, and yes, there are drones that do help establish air superiority, either on the reconnaissance and logistics side, or (more recently) directly on the combat side.

China doesn't have the same level of sophistication in stealth tech, and they still struggle to make decent jet engines, because they don't have the required materials technology for certain components. There's also decades of work in signals processing, which is at least as important as the platform. Not to mention sensor packages, but they almost certainly have a lot of that down. A drone is simple until it needs to fly close to the coffin corner, do air-to-air refueling, land on a carrier, be invisible to radar, be hardened to jamming, act as a wingman to a human pilot... You get the idea.

And since it apparently wasn't obvious, I'm not really talking drones specifically, I'm talking about all defense hardware. China doesn't have anything close to an F-22, and as far as we know, their tanks aren't as good. They can't build carriers that can compete with US ones. But they're already outcompeting the US when it comes to building civilian vessels, and they're taking over the electric car market. How long until they can build a decent carrier or tank?