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by fenomas 442 days ago
Not at all - he was talking about a CG demo he'd just seen of a wriggling 3D model, which didn't bear any technical or visual resemblance to generative AI.

I mean, the quote might very well reflect his actual views about generative AI, but that's definitely not what he was talking about.
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golly_ned 442 days ago
The purpose of that demo was to create a machine that can draw like humans can, as the creators explained. His objection was that whatever produced this had no concept of pain, and that’s what makes it grotesque. He called out that he had no objection to creating horror if that’s what the authors wanted to do.

That complaint is just as applicable to current Gen AI models. He wasn’t simply reacting with his gut to a gross looking video but to the concept of a thing with no concept of pain creating and animating artwork of living things. He understood the technology was about Gen AI, as “deep learning” is written on the whiteboard. He deserves some credit.

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fenomas 442 days ago
> The purpose of that demo was to create a machine that can draw like humans can, as the creators explained

Watch the video - the purpose of the demo, as the creators explained it, was to train a creature to move quickly. Since the AI model didn't simulate pain it used its head like a foot, and since the result was creepy they thought it could be used for a zombie game. That's what they presented to Miyazaki, and that's what he commented on. Then Suzuki asked where they eventually wanted to end up, and a different presenter said the thing about machines that can draw.

> That complaint is just as applicable to current Gen AI models

If you like, but that's not what Miyazaki applied it to.

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golly_ned 440 days ago 

  Watch the video
Back at you. Watch the video until the end where they say this explicitly.

  the purpose of the demo, as the creators explained it, was to train a creature to move quickly
That's an extremely narrow and literal conception of the demo and the response. They're not children.

- "Here, Mr. Miyazaki -- we have made a fast-moving zombie!"

- "I don't like the zombie you have made!"

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fenomas 440 days ago
> Watch the video until the end where they say this explicitly

1. The person who says that wasn't describing the purpose of the demo

2. He says it after Miyazaki's comments, ergo Miyazaki was not commenting on it

> - "Here, Mr. Miyazaki -- we have made a fast-moving zombie!"

Please don't sarcastically put words in the mouth of the person you're replying to - it's rude and it's never useful. All my previous comment did was summarize what was said, in the order it was said. I didn't suggest it was anything more or less than the words in the transcript.

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