[canterburry]

Most new frameworks start as the "lightweight" option to whatever more mature options exist at the time. This is no argument for adoption.

Please post again 10 years from now after you have added all the bloat your users request and handled all the edge cases you don't yet understand.

If you are still lighter than a react button...that will be news worthy.

[mplanchard]

So, nothing is worthy of discussion or can claim any benefits over the incumbents until it has become an incumbent itself? How is it supposed to attract the necessary users to get bloated if they can’t talk about it in relation to the established players?

[canterburry]

All I am saying is that being lightweight, when you have been around for less time than a mature solution, is a mute point.

It's a cop out way to differentiate because you are clearly not comparing apples to apples.

You have a fraction of the features and a fraction of the bug fixes. You are trying to make it sound like you are a 1:1 replacement, when you are not.

[floydnoel]

FYI, you probably meant to say “a moot point.”

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/vocabulary/moot-point/

[canterburry]

Touché

[iammrpayments]

I don’t think React has ever been considered lightweight, judging from the mostly negative reactions from this website when it first came out.

[dmix]

JS frameworks have often valued DX first over what it outputs. Frontend devs also frequently care more about a) their own tooling and b) how it looks, to a much higher priority than the performance and stability of their output. At least from my own experience in the community :)

[joquarky]

Oh my god, yes this is hitting the nail on the head in a way I hadn't thought before. The bloat comes from the discipline (or lack of) more than the framework.

IMO, those who have only worked in React tend to be unfamiliar with the layers of native capability that React is built upon, and so they are stuck in the React bubble unless they want to learn a ton of (admittedly crufty, but useful) web fundamentals.

[internetter]

Solid.js is doing amazing w/re to its bundle size. Its been in development for something between 6-9 years depending on how you count and it is still very very slim.

[is_true]

I feel the same. I started using svelte to build widgets with few requirements that were deployed as web components, it was great for that.