[cbm-vic-20]

I've seen this happen many times:

Dev: Hey, I added that screen you asked for- take a look and tell me what you think- any layout changes, wording, etc.

PM: Looks great! Okay, the next thing is...

Dev: Hold on! I need to go back and clean up some of the code I put in there to test a few ideas, and there's a loop in there that has some side effects if some if the timing is off.

PM: This looks fine. Let's move on to the next thing..

[mattgreenrocks]

If the PM is like that, the dev should eventually learn not to speak up until they're ready to move on to the next thing. To be clear, the PM should listen to the dev.

But the system persists because both people are complicit.

[tonyedgecombe]

Isn't this one of the main selling points of apps like Balsamiq, you can present something that looks sketch like rather than a completed page.

https://balsamiq.com/product/

[pmontra]

When starting from scratch: yes. When maintaining a mature application: no, because then you need to keep in sync the app and balsamiq and there is neither the time nor the will for that. And the money.

[edoceo]

I'm still designing on paper with crayons (not a joke)

[worthless-trash]

I design with pencils, but I thought crayons would give the PM something to chew on when there is technical discussion.

Are your designs huge ?

[edoceo]

One screen per paper I print with special guides. So, I've got various resolution represented. The I just take pictures of the drawings, load them into this webtool and connect them together.

Like a super low budget Balsamiq

[worthless-trash]

I'm kinda digging the idea.