[danaris]

> Everything is tracked, everything is logged, its been this way for a long time and there's nothing you can do about it. You have zero privacy in the internet and you're an idiot if you think otherwise.

But this nihilistic, all-or-nothing attitude is another kind of naïvety.

There are absolutely still ways for people to keep large chunks of their online presence and activity private. Using E2EE services like Matrix and iMessage, for instance. De-Googling sharply reduces the amount of information Google has about you. Etc, etc.

It may not be accessible—or even understandable—for everyone, but the idea that absolutely everything we say, do, want, and think will be collected and tracked and there's nothing we can do about it is just not true.

[disambiguation]

I said nothing you can do about logging. Of course you can stop using large parts of the internet (or stop using it altogether) but that kind of defeats the purpose if there's no good alternative, regardless of accessibility. The point is that perfect privacy on the web is impossible, so why should OP worry about amazon storing voice data when tons is already logged in google meet, microsoft teams, zoom, webex, discord etc.

[Lio]

I’ve always been puzzled by the proposition of E2EE when you have no control of the ends.

If Meta wants to read your WhatsApp messages they’d just do it on your device. How would you know?

[like_any_other]

Plus, privacy leaks are plugged one at a time - we'll never get to private computing if we immediately give up because there's more than one thing spying on us, so fixing any one thing won't solve everything.

And it's a lot harder to spy en masse if for each act of spying you risk exposing your chip-level backdoor, instead of just asking Facebook for the data.