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>NSA dragnet Can you tell me more? What specifically, are they collecting? The porn I've looked at on /s/?

>always-on backdoors embedded in consumer routers and CPUs Are we talking about IME? That's more of a 'theoretically it could execute code, but they'd need a crazy amount of software engineering to really use it to monitor you'. Besides, you can MITM your network traffic and see if it's phoning home. And I'm sure people do, and I've read no cases of it actually being used that way.

Not that I'm okay with this or happy about it. It's just less dire than could be since, although the infra is there, it's not being used.

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Yeah im memeing, i personally dont care but think "privacy enthusiasm" is a cope. Even signal I wouldn't trust, which OPs whole sales pitch. Exchanging a OTP in person is probably your best bet, but i personally have no use case. So yeah hardware telemetry might be an extreme example, but its certainly happening at every other layer.

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Not all are naive on some kind of layer. That would imply sticking your neck out and proposing solutions. There are also the fatalists. They are immune to being wrong because they think it is hopeless. That means never being able to be called an idiot, a very important protection for some.[1] They also literally don’t care so there’s that too.

[1] There’s so much surveillance that it is very easy to fall into the trap of being a naive idiot. Not to worry. We can be fatalist and not have to worry about that charge.

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You can get hung up on the "attitude" like most people, or realize that the first step to a solution is facing the facts. I'm not being blunt to be condescending, but its tedious how we're constantly sold half-baked "solutions." "Just use Signal!" No I'm not handing all my data over to yet another company because made a super duper promise to respect privacy. I'm still waiting to hear an actual solution except for the obvious: don't use the internet. And even then the world is still full of cameras, microphones and satellites.

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Now you care? One comment ago you personally didn’t care. And I’m responding to someone who said that “there's nothing you can do about it”. Where was the in for anyone to take the “first step”? No, I’m not taking the first step towards facing the solution since you already said that’s off the table.[1]

Now you can get hung up on someone pointing out that this fatalism is intellectually a three-feet deep pond and trying to pivot to someone else having their feelings hurt by your badass attitude. But it’s clearly all heat and no light.

[1] For the first step I would ask someone serious about the subject.

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You're really desperate to get this dunk, but you don't have to try so hard. Its really simple: prove me wrong.

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Prove what wrong? You keep changing what your message is.

I’m not a fatalist because I believe there’s always a way to remove oppressive measures. The world got to this point through a series of events that favored certain groups. It’s possible to make a world that serves everyone.

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GP basically called himself a schizo so they know, at least subconsciously, they went too far down that rabbit hole. Even though they just called us idiots.

My particular hot take, speaking partially from experience, is that indeed, there are insurmountable amounts of data collected - but it's collected by hundreds of disconnected, inhomogeneous and incompetent organizations with conflicting goals. There's no global all-knowing conspiracy, even governmental organizations in a single country have poor data sharing capabilities. And this should be trivial - it gets much harder when you take into account commercial organizations that store user data but it's not their main focus, commercial organizations that want to sell user data, but not for free, commercial organizations that really want to pretend they care about user privacy, foreign organizations, foreign organizations from hostile countries, and everreaching bureaucracy related to getting data from basically any of those.

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Not a hot take at all, this is pretty realistic. But notice at no point is pure privacy a serious option, instead we count on hopium. Sure they DO have a lot of our data and they COULD be up to no good, but they wont, because.. reasons. I also never said anything about a conspiracy, just simple facts like how VPNs and social media sites are legally required to keep usage logs in case of illegal activity.