[loloquwowndueo]

the shared opening to the esophagus and trachea in humans (and many other mammals). Hundreds of choking deaths occur in the US every year due to food obstructions in the trachea. Doesn't seem too intelligent to purposefully design such a hazard. Also the “incomplete” argument falls apart easily if the premise was a superior intelligence created it from the get go - if it was so, why would the “supreme intelligence” leave things incomplete as you say? Why not make them right from the beginning?

[sepositus]

> Why not make them right from the beginning?

I don't intend to come off as obtuse here, but this was my original point. Our current understanding suggests this is a design flaw and is "wrong." However, there are plenty of cases where new discoveries have changed our understanding of a system.

So, I'm simply putting forward the question: At what point can we confidently say something is poorly designed? I'm not disagreeing that, based on our current understanding, some systems in the human body seem suboptimal.

[BrandoElFollito]

Now, we can say it now. You have GP examples and someone more skilled wrote have avoided so many other issues.

The counter argument to that is that we do not understand why this is so (together with suffering etc.) which is the end of any discussion.

[loloquwowndueo]

Ah, the unbeatable “the lord acts in mysterious ways, not meant for mere mortals to understand” argument.

[sepositus]

I came to this realization long before I embraced religion. It seems pretty fundamental to the way we do science.