[brokegrammer]

I'm a Django user and I'm happy to see a fork because while Django is mature, it's also stagnating because the project isn't able to break things by introducing new features.

I don't think Plain will replace Django anytime soon but it might help guide decisions.

Plain being backed by a for-profit company is also great because projects like Django could use more marketing. Vercel figured this out a long time ago.

[danpalmer]

I'm not sure Django is stagnating. It recently added task queues as a concept, which was desperately needed, but there's not a lot else that's truly necessary. The important thing for me here is that Django has a very mature extension model – apps, packages, backends, etc – that mean that most functionality can and should be implemented as separate packages that plug in well. Almost all the Plain features are either built-in to Django already, or would do better as separate packages, and would likely receive push-back from being included in Django for that reason. Is that stagnation? To me that's maturity, and something I appreciate in a framework.

[jarofgreen]

> It recently added task queues as a concept

It took me a while to find any information on this, so for others:

https://forum.djangoproject.com/t/django-tasks-bringing-back...

https://github.com/django/deps/blob/main/accepted/0014-backg...

[jonatron]

Django-tasks seems to be moving very slowly, it doesn't have database indexes yet. If you look at the problems with Celery: https://steve.dignam.xyz/2023/05/20/many-problems-with-celer... and the complicated compatibility matrix https://docs.celeryq.dev/projects/kombu/en/main/introduction... , task queues are still a pain point.

[brokegrammer]

It's definitely stagnating. Compare how easy it was to add the admin interface when the framework was still young, vs adding the background workers feature you mentioned.

A lot more testing needs to be done before adding anything. The community should welcome projects like Plain, that can move fast and break things, which in turn might inspire Django.

[n3storm]

In fact Laravel is constantly lending stuff from Django and RoR. Like model attributes.

[halfcat]

Weird to see “it’s like Vercel” as a virtue.

The times for-profit dev tooling has worked, it’s almost always when the profit is a means to providing value (e.g. Jetbrains), but that’s very rare.

For profit is generally a stronger signal of an impending rug pull than longevity.