[vasco]

This is not a homogenous group that believes some core cannon and lives the same lives. Most devs don't have "wealth" even. I think you watched too many movies.

It's interesting also that usually nobody says a "why" that makes sense. You clearly don't think our current lives are that valuable if all we're doing is eating pizza in our offices waiting for a gadget to arrive. So what's the point, to make it so in 3 or 4 generations those guys can eat the pizza and feel like we "solved climate" for them so they can relax?

[t43562]

Living such lives divorces people from what most of humanity are experiencing. i.e. people with power and money and the ability to live virtually are isolated from what's happening. We all have money - just to have a job in software is to be in the top X% of the world's population. I suggest that X is probably smaller than most of us think.

[vasco]

If I earn say $15k / yr (just as an example, I have friends making less producing software), in a regular Western country, half goes to a landlord, a quarter to general expenses, and the other quarter for emergency savings. Illustrate how those €3750 per year of disposable income can be used to help climate change and not live "divorced from what most of humanity is experiencing"?

For what it's worth some calculators say those €15k/yr would put one above 92% of people in the world. There's so much extreme poverty in Sub-Saharan Africa that it's very easy to be in top single digit % and still be getting fucked by the system every day.

And then after you make the case of "what" you still need a "why". Almost nobody cares about those starving people we have at the moment in said Sub-Saharan Africa, so why would they care about future people?

[t43562]

You're mixing euros and dollars which is a bit confusing. That is a very low salary IMO - I'm in the UK and after big efforts to hire people I cannot imagine being able to hire anyone who could write a for-loop for that little!

Nevertheless, lets assume that's a typical salary: you get to choose your energy provider here and you get to choose what food you eat and how you get your transport. You can put insulation in your loft and use less gas by reducing the heat in your by 1 degree. You can use your surplus to choose slightly more expensive green options. That's before you decide to do anything direct such as investing in companies that are doing innovative green things.