[timewizard]

Some Australian provinces give you "P-Plates." These limit your privileges even after getting your license. Limits on number of passengers, times of day you can drive, and a horsepower limit. All of which are from many bloody lessons.

[gambiting]

Tbf, like with many things in that country, I think it's fair to say Australians take this way too far. You're a grown adult who can drink alcohol, go fight for your country, get married etc etc....but god forbid that you drive after dark.

[amohn9]

While Australia does take things too far, I’m actually on their side here. Driving has been too normalized. You’re operating a 2 ton chunk of metal at 60+ mph inches away from other people. Australia has far fewer pedestrian deaths per capita than the US does, and enforcing a higher skill bar for more difficult situations must be part of that.

[gambiting]

Saying you can't drive with 2 passangers at night has nothing to do with skill - if it did, you could pass a test to demonstrate that you can do this safely. Instead it's just another "you're not mature enough to do this" restriction which is bonkers. Again, you can drive this 2 ton chunk of metal, but at night? With passangers?? Phwoar, we can't have that.

[potato3732842]

Most of the time with obviously nonsensical stuff like that they're doing it to appease certain demographics or stakeholders.

They needed Karen's support to get the whole thing passed so they added a "and we won't let them drive after dark" clause to get it.

[dagw]

"you're not mature enough to do this"

Isn't it rather saying that you're not experienced enough to do this. Speaking only for myself, I passed my driving test no problem and after a couple of month of driving I thought I was a great driver. Yet looking back now with the benefit of experience I know for a fact I did some really stupid things that first year of driving and it was only luck rather skill that led to me not getting into an accident.

[gambiting]

Again, that would make sense if it applied equally for all new drivers - but if you're over 25 then there is no such restriction, even if you got your licence a day before. You have zero experience behind the wheel but you're fine to drive in a car full of people, but someone who has been driving for 7 years but is one day short of 25 can't do it - who is the more experienced driver there?

So yeah, it's all about "not being mature enough".

[timewizard]

The majority of pedestrian deaths take place at night.

[gambiting]

Do people under 25 carrying 2 or more passangers on average kill more pedestrians when driving at night?

[akdor1154]

To clarify, the rule is intended to stop party cars full of drunk teens at 2am. The actual rules are like (NSW):

> If you're under 25 and are on your red Ps, you must not drive with more than one passenger who is under 21 between 11pm and 5am.

(Red Ps means the first year of being able to drive unsupervised)