[tonyhart7]

"Having software that’s free to modify and distribute makes it so people will always have options and not depend on one company or another having the same opinions about what makes software good"

Yeah its called android, company like samsung,xiaomi,huawei etc literally modify android and its come out of the box with the phone

are you saying that android without google is the answer since android is still google, saying you dont want google but still using android is not really live up to the opinion since google can change android core anyway

[ewzimm]

This isn’t about wanting or not wanting Google but wanting freedom. I don’t avoid Google completely, but I don’t want to be dependent on them. I always want to have free and open alternatives to what they provide.

The AOSP works for those different companies because it’s free to modify. Huawei had to move away from Android (still using parts) because Google services were not free or available to them. That was fine because at least the core parts remained free.

If the basic functions of life like paying for things don’t work without Google, it’s a problem. That’s bad for people and too much pressure for Google to do the right thing for people who have different needs.

[tonyhart7]

Yeah, it's called hypocrisy. You want all the good things without the bad things, but they come with an associated cost. People are free to use anything other than Android or iOS; no one forces them to use Google services either.

[tourmalinetaco]

Google is an objectively evil company, ever since they removed their “Don’t be evil” slogan. Android is, conceptually, a good idea. There is no “emotion” behind that statement, they themselves have said they are evil, and their actions regarding Android reflect that. It is not hypocrisy to desire that there be more good than bad in this world, and I urge you to read a dictionary.

[tonyhart7]

Yeah its called "don't use android at all", its called hypocrisy when you still use android without the google service

same with IOS, I bet a lot people desire IOS on non iphone device but that not going to happen soon because Apple profit is from iphone sales

same with youtube, people dont like watching ads but youtube bussiness model is not going to survive without ads (who going to spend money if people can upload unlimited video on it for free???)

google benefit from android development cost because they can generating revenue because people can get use google service

its called BUSSINESS, there is no evil in doing bussiness. dont talk me about being right or evil when we talking at HN when most people want to create unlimited subscription for their service

[tourmalinetaco]

It’s not hypocrisy to remove the cancer from my phone, tumors like Google Services exist to be removed. I use an Adblock, I download all the videos I like to personal storage after watching them on YouTube via a shared Indivious frontend me and my friends use (meaning Google takes the data hit twice), and I always fill up my GDrives. This way I can slowly do my part in removing evil from this world.

There is absolutely evil in doing business, unless you view things such as slavery as A-OK. And trust me, I fucking hate subscriptions and view those who fall to forcing them onto their users as less than scum. They are just as evil as Google or Apple are.