[xlii]

We didn't and probably won't but we're exploring area of write Elixir code without Elixir code, i.e. heavy code generation. Some of us keep fingers crossed for the upcoming type checks, some of us are working on dev tooling (we have a looooong wish list of stuff to have, like dataflow traces, maybe some lightweight proofing, distributed version tracking etc.) but it's all about devex as app itself is rock solid and stable.

I have my own personal project that very quickly started to suffer from similar project and I move between tech, and given very good experiences with Go, that's something I'd be looking at. I like async and Go has fun async and great tooling to break/fix code.

[widdershins]

Have you given Gleam a try?

[xlii]

No, I did not.

There are some things that rubbed me wrong way about it. Like typing but still giving way to runtime errors in specific scenarios or lack of macros (which is what makes Rust great to work with because otherwise it’s just sea of boilerplate eventually).

IMO the more sensible decision would be moving „down”. One still has to use some Erlang in Elixir (for example for tracing) and there are small benefits I appreciate lately - like visual differentiation between variable and an atom.

[widdershins]

Runtime errors? As far as I know Gleam will never present runtime errors unless you manually add `todo`, `panic` or `let assert` statements. [1]

I feel you on the macros, I have wanted them too, but I respect the language creator's commitment to minimalism, and I don't feel that e.g. JSON decoders are too much effort. It seems the language is headed down the route of code generators rather than macros, which seems like a reasonable tradeoff to me. [2]

[1] https://tour.gleam.run/table-of-contents/ [2] https://gleam.run/news/improved-performance-and-publishing/#...

[xlii]

Yes, that’s let assert on pattern matches. We’ve briefly evaluated Gleam (but I only very shortly) and result was that we cannot port existing code any way and integration would be very difficult (especially given missing macros).

I do, however agree with you on macros and code generations. My hand in Rust is macro heavy (I dislike boilerplate) but in Go I learned to appreciate codegen utilities and it might be the way to go.

The topic itself is interesting, because I’ve been doing „business logic in types” and it’s impossible to pull of without invoking so much magic that keyboard starts to emit indigo and that puts Gleam in akward place because when we are at that place maybe it’s easier to write code generation with Prolog/Cue but instead of putting another layer just settle with Erlang/BEAM assembly.

But my problems are more in domain of „what happens when during daylight saving shift I receive an out of order message that should be included in generated raport of order fashion and one of node died at that point”.