[jajko]

We have plenty and have higher quality of life, better healthcare, better social services, vastly better public education, better infrastructure, much lower criminality, much better personal happiness and personal fulfilment, much less stress and live much longer...

Yeah enjoy your money, you will need it when getting older to finance basic services and needs.

[mytailorisrich]

We are having less and less money (growth has stalled), which means we will struggle to maintain everything you've mentioned, we already are.

[CalRobert]

I live in Europe and moved here from California but so long as you can triple your pay by moving to America Europe will be a laggard. Retire at 40 or work until 70?

Not to mention that millionaires in their thirties and forties are the raw material startups are made of (who else can justify the opportunity cost?) and Europe lacks that, badly. Meanwhile one in fifteen Americans are millionaires. Which group is more likely to have the freedom to take risks?

[torginus]

Why are people so catty to each other? I feel like I'm on another site.

[masfuerte]

We're all fucked and we don't want to admit it. So we squabble. Europe is obviously fucked already and America is getting fucked by the orange ringmaster. The future is bleak.

[jajko]

Yes thats true, I also feel a bit regret for getting provoked (but never starting out of blue, just responding in similar manners).

Ifs fucking disappointing, Europe and US are by far the best allies and friends (Australia and New Zealand too) on the most important matters - our core values, our respect for democracy etc. France helped you with independence, you helped us defeat fucking nazis ffs.

I hate to see this breakup, because it feels permanent for foreseeable future. And there aren't even good enough reasons. I hate that 1 unstable person can literally drag a billion down down the mud.

[CalRobert]

I think we agree actually. I’m just tired of seeing European workers getting paid dirt.