[kurofune]

I live in a country where almost no one under 35 is able to purchase a house, no matter how educated you are. We live to pay the rent, the system is broken and we all know it, so we don't need to toil anymore; there is no incentive. As simple as that.

[seydor]

Kids don't really realize those concerns. However that's the reason why adults have stop caring as well.

Seriously what's the point of even having a national identity if you are a renter in your own country.

Housing is the biggest crisis that no government truly wants to fix

[fransje26]

> Kids don't really realize those concerns.

You often see that argument being made that the youngest generation has lost hope and has so many mental issues because the "system is broken".

Yet, as you rightly point out, kids don't really realize those concerns. I mean, being able to afford a house or a car was the least of my concerns at that age, and I can't really see why this would have changed for the next generation.

So I'm genuinely intrigued: what could be the underlying cause(s) of that feeling of hopelessness?

[entropi]

>So I'm genuinely intrigued: what could be the underlying cause(s) of that feeling of hopelessness?

As another commenter pointed out, the teenagers are already well aware of the world around them. But for the kids, the point stands.

Maybe it has something to do with the other adults' attitude? When I was a child, my parents were poor and I was a rather bright one. I distinctly remember adults around me viewing education as a ticket to a better life. Nowadays, it feels like this is not really the case. Maybe the children don't understand what is going on, but maybe they do understand what adults/teenagers around them feel?

[rfwhyte]

Kids DO realize those concerns though. It may not be at the same conscious, rational level as an adult, but they absolutely recognize that they are living in a broken world and being forced to play a rigged game.

[kurofune]

I disagree. They are well aware of these issues as teenagers, especially now that they are affecting their parents' lives.

[throwaway2037]

England?

[Aldipower]

Must be, because in Germany no one under 45 can afford a house.

[fransje26]

I laughed.

(And by the time we're 45, the bar will have moved up to 50+)

[prawn]

I've seen the same attitude in Australia. "What's the point in saving because I'll never be able to afford a house?"

[ty6853]

Buy a small parcel of land and park a trailer on it or build something expedient.

My house cost like 20% of almost anyone else in my area by just doing it myself without any code inspections. All it takes is courage to bypass the conventional system, society was wrong and I won by calling bullshit.

[waweic]

I don't think there is any place in the Schengen area (and I have a hunch that parent lives there) where this isn't absolutely illegal. At least in Germany, if you just buy a small parcel of land (and even that is really expensive), and "build something expedient", you won't be able to register that address with the government (which you are, by the way, legally required to, even if you're homeless). The local government will find hundreds of reasons, why your expedient building is not up to code (besides fire safety, which would be enough reasons in itself) and has to be torn down. But of course they don't have to, because you didn't even apply to get permission to build something (which is mandatory here), it wouldn't be granted anyways, because you bought a cheap parcel of land and those are outside the areas where permission to build something can even be granted.

Of course people still do it. But the threat that you might be forced to tear down your home at any moment just to be homeless really is not that much fun.

Edit: Oh, and a parked trailer is a building as well, of course. Just that tearing it down is a lot easier

[fransje26]

Don't we all love German law...

Where I live, code requires that if you build a fence, it should not block the view and should be lower than 1.6/1.7m. So you cannot build a full fence for privacy or to block road noises.

Some neighbours wanted to build such a fence, because the road passing by is busy and noisy. So they build a "fake" pre-fence to code, next to the road, and 2 meters back, the first allowed distance for any construction, they build a "natural" 2.5 meter high "fence" of stacked wood to dampen the noise and have some privacy.

The town hall is furious, but cannot do anything, because nothing prevents you from stacking wood 2.5 meters high. The winters are harsh in the mountains, after all. And even the locals a few villages down the valley were impressed and laughing about it.

[jajko]

Great approach, when your shoddy installation burns down half the neighborhood and kills 7 people you may not feel so heroic and braggish. Thats not courage but arrogance.

Regulations came into effect as they are now due to a very long line of horrible disasters & regulatory reactions to them.

[ty6853]

Cool story but most houses here are old and grandfathered (think baloon framing without blocking) in and built before modern codes whereas mine incorporates modern fire mitigating materials and techniques like platform framing with blocking, egress windows, fire rated drywall, etc. Mine is actually safer than most of the neighborhood, I am poor not stupid.

[CalRobert]

Sadly doing this is illegal in many, many places. Though you could start a halting site perhaps.

[OutOfHere]

What about utilities? Unlimited electricity, fresh water, sewer?

[ty6853]

Generator, a cistern, and a diy septic system will get you started

[rambambram]

I like it. Fix something for yourself without hurting others and without complaining. Getting shit done in optima forma.

May I ask you where this is, without getting into specifics of course. Western Europe?

[ty6853]

Western USA. Due to rarely used loophole in my county this is all legal if you DIY everything (no commerce so most regulation drops off) and I got permit explicitly exempting from code inspection.

[rambambram]

Ah okay, that explains. I recently watched a video from a couple that did the same thing, but still made some minor mistake (not technical, but a little bureaucratic mistake) and had to rebuild it or something. I guess it had to do with the surface area.

Did you build with wood?

[ty6853]

I built a block foundation and above that wood.

If all you have is trees though you can build a permanent treated wood foundation.