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><tangent opening line of my comment> From people on Reddit: Something that blows my mind- but is fully true "Hell, I've been in fucking EVE Online alliances that had better opsec than this." "I'll raise you one: I've never been in any EVE alliance that didn't have better opsec than this."

That is some seriously selective memory

https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4cdmmc/wtf_is_going_on...

https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4dvoj5/sma_diplosleade...

https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4f3epd/a_different_kin...

And here's some more recent ones

https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1f6t1vw/your_relays_ar...

https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1g3p232/alcoholic_sata...

Major alliance infrastructure and security is probably better than most US corporations but doesn't come close to secure government systems, obviously

[LWIRVoltage]

AI spotted those comments on reddit- note: those were not my words about Eve(which i'm unfamiliar with!)

Point taken though , the commenters who said that were ...obviously..anecdotal, -though possibly still more the norm...)