[LeafItAlone]

>Gesture based political action has the same problem of terrorism, which is also ineffective

You’re right, the USA didn’t dramatically change after 9/11. We citizens didn’t almost instantly lose tons of rights that still have not been returned and the world didn’t descend into a years long war.

[CaffeineLD50]

The Unabomber wanted to end "technological society " but he did manage to improve postal safety standards. Mission accomplished?

If the goal of the 9/11 hijackers was to improve airport security then mission accomplished! But I think their goal was something else.

Clearly you don't read too well

[LeafItAlone]

>But I think their goal was something else.

What do you think it was? Because it did far far more negative than just “improve” airport security.

[CaffeineLD50]

It doesn't matter- they failed to punish the US, stop supporting Israel, or withdraw from the middle east or whatever their goals were.

Terrorism fails but I never said it was "without effect". Vegans boycotting milk hasn't saved any " enslaved cows" but it has given birth to a robust soy and oatmilk industry

But no cows have been released from their oppression. Not a one

[LeafItAlone]

So just to be clear, it’s not effective, but you can’t say at what, but the world is a much different, much worse place, millions are dead as a direct result of terrorism, but it doesn’t matter?

I don’t think this is a fruitful thread.