[jack_pp]

I feel like you are trivializing the dogged, uncompromising and ceaseless war liberals wage against common sense and decency.

I'm sorry but when the other side of the war wants me to pay fines, go to jail or be expelled because I subjectively hurt someones feelings I gotta go with the church whatever their faults

[ToucanLoucan]

Can you name an example of this actually happening, or is this just yet another echo of the utter nothing-burger that was Peterson's complaints back when he transitioned from being an educator to a professional grievance monger that, and I can't stress this enough, has never, once, ever, one time, produced an actual complaint that has resulted in actual penalties?

[jack_pp]

I don't need to name examples. There was a proposal for a draconian law, it got brought up to light, it was fought and it didn't pass. All that because of people like Peterson.

This was in 2016. In 2023 I went to a climbing gym in Bucharest, got friendly with a foreign (EU) guy that was visiting, asked him what was he doing in Bucharest. Apparently he was representing a leftist party that sounded very good on the surface policy wise and goal wise but then I asked him..

"What do you think about punishing people through the law for misgendering someone?". He started avoiding answering directly, said we shouldn't be assholes etc but it was clear by simply refusing to give a direct answer what his position was.

[mola]

Maybe his position was that he didn't think it is a good law? And at the same time he thinks purposely migendering someone is being an asshole?

My friend, this sounds like an example of you projecting your fears of "liberal suppression"

[jack_pp]

If he didn't think it is a good law he would've said so, he avoided answering and the conversation died out after that because it was clear we couldn't move past that.

Purposely misgendering someone is indeed being an asshole but that's not the issue at hand. If someone calls me stupid or swears at me that makes me uncomfortable but I wouldn't expect he be reprimanded by the law by stripping away his freedoms.

[ToucanLoucan]

> There was a proposal for a draconian law, it got brought up to light, it was fought and it didn't pass.

I'm finding it difficult to take your opinion seriously when you're getting basic facts wrong. Bill C-16 did pass, it's been the law in Canada since 2017. And as I said, it has not once been actually utilized in the way Peterson and I'm guessing, you, were so concerned about.

> "What do you think about punishing people through the law for misgendering someone?"

I think it would depend what you mean by "punishing people through the law." I don't think it should carry a prison sentence, if that's what you mean. However as a legally recognized act of discrimination, I think it's an important data point. For example, if a trans-person was fired from a job for "performance reasons" but was able to demonstrate proof of constant misgendering by their supervisor, I think that can be valuable to that person for a wrongful termination suit. Or, simple inter-workplace bullying. Like that's ultimately what that is, it's just being a bully, and I wouldn't suggest bullies be brought up on charges, but there also should be legally enforceable consequences for ongoing harassment.

And I can't think of why anyone would disagree with a position like that, unless the notion of bullying transpeople is just really important for them to be able to do, in which case I would suggest you find a new hobby?