[palata]

> given current hostility of Europe against Trump

This is akin to Trump talking about the hostility of Ukraine against Russia. The US are the bullies here, not the other way round.

> but what if in two years Trump will be off the news, people would not care anymore about being anti_USA

Time will tell, but this is the first time in the life of all living Europeans that the US threatens them militarily. And many US citizens not only seem to not care, but they seem to find it okay (and even say that the Europeans are the ones being hostile to the US).

IMO, something has been broken this time. Europeans see the US as a national security concern. At this speed, this feeling will just get stronger in the next two years, and honestly I am not convinced that any results in two years could "just repair the damage" immediately. The trust has been broken now, it will take time to come back (assuming the US do come back from this).

[ivan_gammel]

I don’t think it will ever come back. EU and USA are different ideologically, if we look beyond the naive notion of democracy. It’s social market economy/social democracy vs libertarian capitalism. A lot of differences, even in how our cities are designed. Europe may liberalize a bit, but I cannot imagine America having universal healthcare or abandoning suburbs. This sets us apart and with ongoing ideological polarization those differences will be exploited and amplified by the people like JD.

[chgs]

The big questions are how the U.K. and Canada go.