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by arrrg 453 days ago
Based on the way Russia has been gradually pushing more and more. Step by step. Slowly.

They take what they want. They are appeased. A couple years nothing happens. They take what they want. They are appeased … etc.

Invading Ukraine should be a clear warning that Russia will not just stop. For appeasement to end and for Europe to seriously look for viable paths to peace. Not just yearlong pauses in fighting that allow Russia to regain strength. That is not peace.
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ossobuco 453 days ago
A "just peace through strength", right? Orwell would be so proud, Newspeak has become the official European language.
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arrrg 452 days ago
The allies actually did create a just peace through strength in Europe during and after WWII. So I’m not sure why you are so offended by that thought? Would there have been a better way to create a peace that all in all has been lasting for more than three quarters of a century now? Would it have been better to further appease the facists?(Obviously not a perfect or complete peace. Obviously the Cold War also sucked. Not disputing any of that.)

Also, obviously I hope that this time around it’s not too late to prevent facists from burning Europe to the ground before we can defeat them.

Do you dispute that showing strength is an element to peace? (I’m not talking about killing people or invading other countries. I’m talking about a demonstrated and credible willingness to defend your values and alliances.)

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ossobuco 452 days ago
> The allies actually did create a just peace through strength

They won the war, the goal was clearly defeating the axis. Did you have a shower today or did you achieve a just and long lasting personal hygiene through water?

You should at least be brave enough to say it like it is: you want to win the war.

The only problem is that this time the enemy has enough nuclear weapons to trigger a new ice age, so you resort to Newspeak.

> Also, obviously I hope that this time around it’s not too late to prevent facists from burning Europe to the ground before we can defeat them.

For how I see it we got them already in the commission and doing all they can to burn the EU to the ground.

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