[GrzegorzWidla]

Only when you're an utilitarian. Not everyone is.

My deontological take is that animals deserve the right for bodily autonomy. Violation of that, even if painless, is unethical.

Plus we all know that most animals are factory farmed and suffering and pain there is not limited to the time of slaughter.

[Dylan16807]

Which part of my post do you think is different between those systems?

I said all animals deserve a lack of suffering. It sounds like you agree with that.

I said the reason to avoid (or not avoid) killing animals is a different reason from pain. You gave a reason based on bodily autonomy, so it sounds like you agree with that statement.

We might disagree on the specifics of bodily autonomy, but I made my previous post focused and kept those specifics out of the argument.

[seec]

So when you get a rat infestation you leave them their bodily autonomy? This is such a naive, black-and-white view of the world, I hope you get into a situation where this will be made extremely obvious.

Modern educated humans are so smart yet so dumb. The city dweller that has never suffered the relentless drive of nature to fuck with him (and instead, sometimes eat him) is quite a specimen.