[JumpCrisscross]

> if they don't sped it the way they want, Its waste

If the people doing the work have to spend taxes so people who don’t work can stay at home, yes, the former get a say in how the latter live.

[slimscsi]

This is a straw man. Nobody is talking about funding people to the point where they get everything they need for free. That's insane. We are talking about giving people bootstraps so they can pull them selves up with them. Reducing poverty reduces crime and health care costs as well.

[JumpCrisscross]

> Nobody is talking about funding people to the point where they get everything they need for free. That's insane. We are talking about giving people bootstraps

If it isn’t funding subsistence it isn’t basic income. Whether we flourish that as welfare or bootstraps is rhetorical dressing.

[slimscsi]

"If it isn’t funding subsistence it isn’t basic income" is just rhetorical dressing of the term "basic income".

[JumpCrisscross]

No, it’s a definition. The reason it’s basic. “Bootstraps” is a metaphor.