[ShinTakuya]

Is it that surprising that Edge is surpassing Firefox given Firefox doesn't have the onboarding ramp of Microsoft and Google? Microsoft shoves Edge in your face every chance it gets, as does Google. What can Mozilla do to compete against that? Unfair to use market share as an argument.

[tonyhart7]

"What can Mozilla do to compete against that?"

well if only Modzilla foundation spend money given to them to actual firefox development instead of ehm ehm DEI policy (lol) and pay executive millions of dollars

at this rate even brave,opera browser would surpass firefox

[ShinTakuya]

While I agree they shouldn't be putting their money towards political causes, the scrutiny of the budget is also political in nature. Of the $400 million in expenses, only around $15 million went to executives, and around $1 million went to the DEI stuff. The rest was split evenly between developing and marketing Firefox, which is basically what you were criticising them on not doing.

If they got rid of all the executives and DEI, they could increase the other budgets by 2%. There is 0 chance that the 2% extra budget could help the market share and development in any significant way.

And if you don't pay executives enough, you get worse executives who make worse decisions because the good ones will go to other companies. So you'll be complaining even more if the $15 million executive pay got dropped.

So in short: I agree Mozilla shouldn't get involved in politics. Despite this, no reasonable person could look at the numbers and conclude it's having a material effect on the destiny of Firefox.

[tonyhart7]

ok my past response is mostly for laugh, this is my serious response

Firefox is literally default install in most if not all linux distro os, while I agree that situation is far from ideal but nothing is can be blamed other than themselves

for the longest of time firefox always playing catch up with chromium to achieve parity, maybe just maybe we don't need more browser

Microsoft literally give up their browser (IE), given how much resource MS has do you think firefox is doomed?? especially with DOJ force google to breakup chrome and cut off their spending on modzilla

I mostly critize about firefox place in the market, Opera found an niche with Opera GX for gaming, Brave with adblock and privacy focused etc while firefox is what??? inferior of chrome???

[ShinTakuya]

I can't reply further to this thread without this devolving into a flame war so I'll just observe that you've moved the goal posts claiming you were just joking, and refuse to engage further until you acknowledge you're either getting defensive for no reason or arguing in bad faith.

[tonyhart7]

Yeah because you didn't have argument for it, good try tho

it would work with other people but not for me

edit: I'm not joking, I said laughing because firefox state is pathetic that deserved to be laughed at