[jlg23]

This is travel advice I've been following for 25 years; because, as the article states, the rules are not new: Go through a port of entry that is not on US soil so being refused entry does not lead to incarceration and deportation. For people in the EU, Dublin is such a port of entry. Once on a plane from there, arrival in the US is the same as for a domestic flight.

[vkou]

That will only protect you from CBP.

ICE, who are currently the ones responsible for disappearing people will happily pick you up at a domestic arrival terminal.

[jlg23]

Yes, but ICE can pick you at random (probably lawfully at least close to borders and international airports) while you always have to talk with CBP when entering the country. I personally have been avoiding travel to/through the US whenever possible just because some of the wrong people have been my friends and I happen to make my money with drugs - completely legal, helping to disseminate neutral information for free, but I would not want to discuss the finer details of ethics and drug policy with an underpaid officer of any police force.

The one thing that protects me somewhat from ICE is that I am white, in my forties, middle class and non-confontational when talking with officials. Or how a friend put it: No worries, you could be drinking a beer, smoking a joint and cops would laugh about your accent before telling to have a nice one.

[rich_sasha]

Surely the US customs etc can still find a way to intimidate and screw you over.

My limited experience is that they either train their staff for it, or pick people who enjoy it. Or both.

[decimalenough]

The staff in Dublin aren't any better, but the consequences are: you're not on US soil, so you can't be detained or deported.

[rich_sasha]

Sure, I got that. I more mean, does it really stop them from being assholes once you land? On paper perhaps, but in practice, I wouldn't bank on it.

[decimalenough]

The whole point of preclearance is that there is no border control on arrival into the US, you exit the airport like you were coming off a domestic flight.

[sschueller]

What port of entry is not US soil? You can be detained in an US embassy and sent off somewhere. In fact the US doesn't even have a problem with kidnapping people in the middle of a European city sending them off for torture[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri

[decimalenough]

There are quite a few US preclearance facilities overseas. Dublin, Abu Dhabi, most major Canadian airports, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_border_precleara...

[the_orange_pest]

Any links that point to U.S. transgressions under presidents other than orange man are downvoted.

People would prefer even G.W. Bush, because at least he did proper neocon wars and was aligned with the establishment.

[wtfwhateven]

>Any links that point to U.S. transgressions under presidents other than orange man are downvoted. Not true.