[_2d30]

Yes and some of the links to the “traumatizing” deportations are for people who are clearly in violation of their visas.

I had a friend deported from Denmark when he overstayed his visa and it was basically the same thing.

Some of these look really bad and could be sensible justification for the proposed boycott/cancellation (see French scientist eg) but a lot of it looks completely hysterical.

[someothherguyy]

> a lot of it looks completely hysterical

Some bad history with executive orders / The Alien Enemies Act and interning people in the US:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans

Also, the current administration stated an intent to relocate (intern / reeducate?) the homeless, many of whom are citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_47#Social_issues

[croes]

How long did his deportation take?

Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy.

And I wouldn’t want to gamble if I‘m one of the unlucky ones that you described as looking bad.

That kind of uncertainty is exactly what makes those travels unnecessarily dangerous.

That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious.

[_2d30]

I don’t quite remember and would have to ask. I think he was detained for 5 days, maybe?

> Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy.

The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence.

> That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious.

Again, I agree that there are a few stories of deportations that are legitimate causes for concern about hosting a conference with internationals in the US. But if you use people getting deported for overstaying their visas as a part of justifying that concern, then that is hysterical. It conflates issues that are effectively totally unrelated to one another.

It would be like claiming it’s not safe to travel to Italy because the local justice systems will charge you with trumped up charges and quote both the Amanda Knox case as well as cases where Americans actually broke the law and got charged justly. Only the Amanda Knox case is actual justification for the claim!

[Timwi]

> The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence.

Correct me if I'm misreading this, but it sounds like you're saying that inefficiencies due to incompetence are exempt from criticism.

It should go without saying that detaining innocent people is BAD, regardless of whether it's malice or incompetence.

[_2d30]

I’m not saying it’s exempt from criticism and honestly I don’t know how that could possibly be an interpretation of that. I’m literally calling it incompetent which is clearly criticism. I’m saying that a 2wk detention due to glacial pace of our shitty bureaucracy isn’t really “fishy” about anything.

And to be clear, they aren’t innocent in the referenced example. They were breaking the terms of their visa.

[q3k]

> The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence.

The purpose of a system is what it does.

[_2d30]

This is one of the dumbest things people say constantly.

Remember this the next time you ship a bug! You built a system whose purpose was to have that bug in it.

[q3k]

If my system regularly ships bugs, then yes, it's purpose is apparently to regularly ship bugs. If my system ships rarely bugs, then yes, it's purpose is apparently to rarely ship bugs.

[_2d30]

> If my system regularly ships bugs, then yes, it's purpose is apparently to regularly ship bugs. If my system ships rarely bugs, then yes, it's purpose is apparently to rarely ship bug

The purpose of Linux is to ship bugs: https://www.cvedetails.com/product/47/Linux-Linux-Kernel.htm...

Genius stuff here. Crazy how many people use an operating system whose literal purpose according to you is to ship bugs.

[none_to_remain]

The purpose of that meme is to annoy me with its inanity

[qingcharles]

I've known people get caught up for months in immigration detention over simple snafus. I've also known several people who were literally just turned around at the gate and shoveled straight onto the next flight home. There are thousands of border points, and thousands of border agents, so I'm guessing there is an element of luck depending on where you appear.

[Aeolun]

All of those things look like they’re about being detained for several weeks when trying to enter the US? Why wouldn’t they just refuse you entry instead?

[jeltz]

Yeah, why detain and treat people badly when you should just send them back home on the first available flight and then ban them from using the ESTA program? The pointless and expensive cruelty is the issue.