[itsgrimetime]

> It’s only adversarial because you want to get as much pay as possible out of them for as little productivity as possible.

Or maybe pay that’s proportional to the value we provide

[paulcole]

It’s always proportional to the value you provide. You just don’t like the proportion lol.

What specific proportion do you think is fair? And how do you calculate the value you provide?

[ever1337]

The workers will decide and they will dictate it to you as you have done unto them.

[paulcole]

So as a worker, what specific proportion do you believe is fair to dictate?

[ever1337]

It's not at all a matter of fairness. It is a matter of might.

[saagarjha]

I mean, the same question can be asked of my employer.

[paulcole]

Yes, but right now I’m asking the person who said they wanted a proportional amount of value.

Either they can/will answer the question or they can’t/won’t.

[saagarjha]

Maybe they didn’t feel answering your question would give them a proportional amount of value.

[bradlys]

In a capitalist market, it is explicitly not proportional to the amount of value you provide. That is the underlaying principle of capitalism…

Read up a bit, man. Even a capitalist would agree with this.

[paulcole]

I can assure you it is.

You get paid X. You deliver Y value. The proportion is X / Y. Sometimes that proportion is very high, sometimes it is very low. Sometimes it is negative. Sometimes you get a divide by zero error.

And again, the questions.

What specific proportion do you think is fair? And how do you calculate the value you provide?

[fwip]

I don't think you understand what "proportional" means. It doesn't mean "there are two numbers."

It means that when looking at all employees, compensation is strongly linearly correlated to provided value.

[paulcole]

What specific linear correlation do you think is fair? And how do you calculate the value you provide?

[try_the_bass]

That's literally what "proportional" means.

[bradlys]

Jesus Christ. That’s not how it works!

Capitalism is explicitly not about that. Holy shit this is insane that you think that’s how capitalism works on a website that’s literally about venture capital. What the fuck.

[paulcole]

X and Y exist right? Why can’t you divide them to make a proportion?

[banannaise]

Among other reasons, because the employer holds all of that information and I'm not given access to it. It's an asymmetric information problem.