[davisp]

I’m gonna give this a very charitable read by saying that while I find the ways that the treatment of burn victims was advanced by abhorrent means, we as a society have still benefited from those means.

> So once the model is created there isn't a good reason to encumber it by how it was created.

I am trying to be very specific here. I assume no untoward motivations from the parent commenter. I am not intending to cast aspersions. Whoever wrote this, I feel no ill will for you and this is not meant as a personal slight.

And I will be very clear, this statement as written could probably be defended because of the “by how it was created” clause.

However, “So once the model is created there isn’t a good reason to encumber it” is so… fucking I don’t even know, because what the actual fuck?

I apologize for the profanity, I really do. But, really? Are you fucking kidding me?

These models should not exist. Ever. By any means. Do not pass Go. Go directly to jail.

I understand the engineering brain enough to contemplate abstract concepts with detachment. That’s all I think happened here. But holy fuck, please pause and consider things a bit.

[throwaway7313]

Outlawing the use of existing material is vital market protection for producers. Denouncing these models may not actually be a good way to reduce harm.

[throwaway749372]

> These models should not exist. Ever. By any means. Do not pass Go. Go directly to jail.

If it's possible to produce CSAM that doesn't involve actual children and have a measurable impact in profitablity and demand of the real thing, leading to a net reduction in the harm done to children wouldn't you be on the wrong side of the argument you think you're making?

> I understand the engineering brain enough to contemplate abstract concepts with detachment.

I would argue it's a rational take.

Can we agree the goal to reduce harm of children is good? Or only if the solution is comfortable to you?

[rdtsc]

> These models should not exist. Ever. By any means. Do not pass Go. Go directly to jail.

Exactly. It's disturbing that this needs to be explained to people.

[roenxi]

All the alternatives are likely to result in more children being harmed. These models probably should exist. Ideally they'll destroy the commercial incentives for people to hurt children.