[sepositus]

> I live in a city. Building it destroyed some wilderness to give half a million people somewhere to live. I think that was a very good thing.

This is likely going to be the point of disagreement. Depending on where someone falls in the spectrum, their beliefs can range anywhere from humans are bad and should die to protecting and growing human life at all costs.

[no_wizard]

Not to mention, you could build up instead of out and get more or less the same results with less disruption to natural ecosystems

[BurningFrog]

True. And to me, as a human, the "humans are bad" crowd are an enemy and need to be fought and defeated.

[__MatrixMan__]

Mostly that crowd is just concerned with humans' tendency to shoot ourselves in the foot when we don't understand something.

There used to be this place called the "fertile crescent" where humans grew a lot of food. But they didn't understand how certain irrigation techniques caused salt to build up in the soil, so they accidentally turned it into a desert.

We don't understand this oxygen source in the deep ocean. It seems likely that we're, again, about to shoot ourselves in the foot.

The belief is not that humans are evil, it's that humans are unskilled in dangerous ways and that it's worth slowing down to cultivating those skills before we cause unnecessary harm to ourselves.

[sepositus]

This is more or less my view. However, when I say the "humans are bad" group, I mean the people basing their decisions purely on emotion or virtue and who are usually incapable of coming up with such a nuanced view. The same goes for the other extreme.

[antonvs]

Humans aren’t bad in moderation. But 8 billion of us, and growing, consuming ever more resources, are pretty objectively bad.

[anigbrowl]

So you think certain humans are bad.