[bloppe]

The "closed" approach is way better when it involves guardrails rather than handcuffs. Pixels offer guardrails; they're just as secure as iPhones but offer a lot more freedom to power users. Android is a lot more than just Pixels though and some of the other OEMs don't provide security updates quite as timely, creating a bad reputation

[basisword]

I’m not sure I agree. I’ve seen tech illiterate family members screw up Pixels and Samsung devices in the same way they screwed up Windows systems in the past. Even the most tech illiterate family members have done nothing bad to their iPhones. In fact I know one that was still using an iPhone 7 until last year and it was very functional. Two year old top of the line Samsung phones are crawling after two years. All anecdotal of course.

[pbhjpbhj]

What do you mean by 'screw up'?

[frollogaston]

Malware, for one

[frollogaston]

Except forget the Apple ID password, then it's game over

[basisword]

Recently setup a family member with a new iPhone and they had no idea what the password was. Password reset flow worked without any issue.

[frollogaston]

I forget why but it doesn't work, probably because it sends to some email they've never heard of.

[basisword]

It does work. As I said, I had to go through it with a family member a few months ago. It's hardly Apple's problem if a user forgets their password AND email address.

[frollogaston]

I don't expect Apple to get someone back into an account they've forgotten everything about, but you shouldn't need to do that just to download a free app. Grandma already knows her passcode, that should be enough.

[Schiendelman]

Not when you have a recovery contact.

[frollogaston]

There are like 10 grandmas in my extended family (in-laws etc), none of them know their Apple ID passwords, none have recovery contacts. They probably forgot because it never asks for that password except when they want to download a free app, cause for some reason that's a highly sensitive thing.