[billy99k]

We are supposed to believe 'rivals'? When deep seek came out, the press (and many in the tech community) believed the hype with no proof. When it finally came out that the initial claims were false, everybody just moved on.

What actually happened was that Nvidia stock crashed so that the Chinese firm that built Deep Seek (interestingly enough, an HFT firm) could buy the the dip and make millions.

Most likely what's happening here.

[apercu]

It's not just Chinese EVs affecting the stock though, the CEO of Tesla has likely destroyed a huge amount of value by simply being a repugnant person loud and publicly, and the culture of Tesla customer service and the fact that people share negative stories online has destroyed an equal amount of value.

[Yeul]

I will never trust a CEO who posts on social media and takes drugs. Give me boring Ford and Chrysler.

[more_corn]

I’m baffled that the Nazi salutes failed to make the list of your “never would I ever”

[vimax]

Claims were overhyped by the media, but were the actual deepseek claims false though? Huggingface and universities have replicated the deepseek chain of thought training on top of llama for very cheap, and the openai pricing for o3-mini shows how cheap that model is vs the original o1.

Not to say that I buy this EV hype, which is suspiciously timed with teslas weakening position.

[moogly]

BYD's credibility is much higher than Tesla's. Even disregarding recent developments.

[sschueller]

We all tested Deepseek and it performs better. What more proof do you want?

At some point you need to accept that others can be better than you. Once you do you can learn from them and get better as well.

[outer_web]

I am aware of DeepSeek's ownership but what is the source on their use of it solely to buy nvda shares?

[Larrikin]

I mean has Tesla actually delivered on anything they've promised? FSD has been promised for years