[pc86]

I have to imagine you cherry-picked maternal death rate (which is anomalously high in the US for reasons that even experts in maternal death cannot explain) in bad faith because the all-cause mortality rate in the US is 1,044 per 100k compared to 1,412 per 100k in Greece - 35% higher[0].

I guess it's not so clear.

[0] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/death-rat...

[999900000999]

Life expectancy in Mississippi is 10 years shorter than in Greece

>Mississippi ranked dead last in a CDC ranking of all 50 states and the District of Columbia when looking at 2021 data. The magnolia state had a 70.9-year life expectancy rate, slightly lower than West Virginia's 71.

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2024/12/29/cdc-data...

>The current life expectancy for Greece in 2025 is 83.10 years, a 0.18% increase from 2024. The life expectancy for Greece in 2024 was 82.95 years, a 0.18% increase from 2023. The life expectancy for Greece in 2023 was 82.80 years, a 0.2% increase from 2022. The life expectancy for Greece in 2022 was 82.64 years, a 0.2% increase from 2021.

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/grc/gre...

Greece has a older population. Plus we're talking about Mississippi not the entire US.

[pc86]

Yes but you didn't mention life expectancy, you chose maternal mortality then generalized that to "because Greece's maternal mortality is lower than Mississippi, Greeks are healthier." That was my point.

[999900000999]

In no universe does a few ultra wealthy people in Mississippi make it a better place to live than half of Europe, which is what I was originally responding to.

That's all per capita GDP means.

Not like maternal mortality is only slightly higher in MS, it's drastically worse to the point where you can argue the healthcare standards are closer to that of a developing country.

Can you find a single health metric which would point to people in Mississippi doing better than those in Greece ?

[latexr]

> which is anomalously high in the US for reasons that even experts in maternal death cannot explain

Doesn’t seem like a mystery that a country who is so “pro-life” they’d rather let women die than properly treat miscarriages has a high maternal death rate.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/27/texas-abortion-death...

[pc86]

Abortion has nothing to do with it. Abortion laws vary state to state from very restrictive to very permissive, and even states with much more permissive abortion laws than the majority of Europe, maternal mortality remains higher.

Wisconsin's abortion law is from before the Civil War and its maternal mortality is lower than Massachusetts.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/maternal-mortality/mmr-2018-2022-st...

Personally I think it has more to do with access to healthcare and the general physical fitness of your average American compared to your average European but I have no data to back that up.

[latexr]

A miscarriage is not a voluntary abortion. The point is not to criticise these cases specifically, but to point out there is a cultural underpinning to the problem. To treat someone appropriately, you have to respect them and not be constantly afraid that what you’re doing will get you in trouble.

[pc86]

If a doctor is afraid to treat a miscarriage it's because they're worried about abortion laws in their jurisdiction. You can't pretend they're not linked; we should talk about both when we talk about either one.

My point about Wisconsin, Massachusetts, and US maternal mortality vs. Europe stands.

[freejazz]

Wisconsin's abortion law was completely irrelevant in the modern era until Roe was overturned, so that's not really a great point. At best, it's incredibly dishonest. Besides, the poster wasn't saying it was because of abortion specifically, but that having such a large population that views women's reproductive health as a political issue, rather than a medical issue, is probably the reason why the US has such poor maternal health outcomes.