[IshKebab]

Not a surprise. I said it before and I'll say it again, all the competing projects should just shut up shop for the good of Python. uv is so much better it's like pushing penny farthings after the safety bike has been invented.

[nikisweeting]

That's rough for all the creators of poetry, pdm, pipenv, etc. to hear. They put in a ton of great work over the last decade, but I fear you may be right.

[alwyn]

I quite really like pdm! I can see why maybe poetry but especially pipenv might be replaced with uv, but what's the value of uv over pdm beyond performance? It ticks all my boxes otherwise.

[fnord123]

>but what's the value of uv over pdm beyond performance

uv is not written in python so it doesn't suffer from the bootstrap problem of having a python version installed to begin using it. Users (new and even experienced) get confused and annoyed when they try to use python tooling in the same venv as their application instead of using pipx.

People also get confused and annoyed if they use mac and run `brew upgrade` and find themselves with python 3.13 or just any version that is new (yes we can pin to python@3.11 or whatever) so pyenv is a good option.

So now you have pdm, pipx, and pyenv to manage all this stuff. With uv all this hassle goes away.

[quickslowdown]

I came to uv from pdm, and the only reason I switched is the sheer speed and simplicity of uv. Pdm is such a great utility, and it can use uv as the package solver, but uv still has it beat on raw speed, and it feels simpler to use (whether or not it actually is).

[ZuLuuuuuu]

I am feeling the same way about PDM, it works very well, easy to configure and checks all the boxes feature-wise.

[francasso]

Beyond performance? Performance!

[nikisweeting]

pdm is actually my favorite too, I used it on ArchiveBox for years and loved it. I still use it as the build backend instead of hatch in some places

[slightwinder]

They served their purpose for the decade, so they can be happy that they did their thing to pave the road for a good successor. uv some day will also find it successor, this is how software lives. Celebrate the life, don't cry for how it ends.

[rendaw]

Oh yeah, pipenv which was a shoddy mess that used personal connections and reputation to get promoted on the python website and poetry where the developer did a good job dismissing requests to support common use cases (like overriding dependencies).