[chjj]

> never actually seen the people doing that thing

I'm happy to share then. Here's my most recent encounter with a rustacean: https://x.com/_chjj/status/1829989494298460636

I asked if he/she/they had ever used the unsafe keyword. That was the response I got. It's usually some vile insult involving furry or transgender genitalia.

[mplanchard]

Do you not think that the thread you’re currently on here on HN has a lot of rust programmers? So your “most recent encounter” is actually this thread.

It’s trivial to find examples of people in any community who are a bit off the rails, but you shouldn’t let that define your perception of the community, especially given the fact that you’re currently in a context where your thesis doesn’t have much to support it.

[chjj]

Fair enough. I suppose it is my most recent encounter. The result: I still don't like the rust community. You may have different opinions. I see no issue here.

[hyperbrainer]

> I still don't like the rust community

I wonder whether you believe these people would ever be endorsed by the faces of the Rust language or whether the majority of people in the community would behave so. In my experience (not to minimise yours), the Rust community and FOSS in general, are some of the most open and welcoming communities online, albeit with clear exceptions

[pdimitar]

I see the issue. Biased people like yourself don't belong in tech.

For the record, I only picked Rust 5-ish years ago out of a 23 years of career. I know plenty of other languages. I was a skeptic at the start as well. Never generalized a pretty big group like you do though.

You should be ashamed.

[chjj]

FTR I don't really have a problem with the rust language. I think there's some interesting ideas in there. I don't really like the syntax, but that's a minor nitpick.

Not sure what to make of your other comments.

[pdimitar]

And I didn't say this was about Rust the language. I said many times it's not OK for you to generalize an entire community of hard-working people. It will never be OK.

What is actually funny in our exchanges is that I don't even actively work with Rust anymore. I work with multiple languages, it included. I've met very smart, humble and fairly hardcore [Rust] devs from whom I learned a lot and got severely humbled as a result (as I was under the illusion that there's not much more I could learn in programming back then).

My other comments are fairly trivial English. Surely you can very easily make something out of them.

[chjj]

My mistake. I thought your comment about being a skeptic was referring to the language itself.

It sounds like you had a good experience with the rust community. I'm glad it worked for you. But from what I've seen, it's not for me.

[johnisgood]

> generalize an entire community of hard-working people

By claiming they are hard-working, you are generalizing. It is usually only a couple or few that are actually hard-working people, but then again, I am generalizing because I do not know, I do not wish to actually claim to know.

Judging by your comments, e.g. "you should be ashamed" (for simply expressing his dislike of YOUR community), you sound exactly like a zealot.

Why do you feel the need to claim moral superiority and tell someone to be ashamed just for simply expressing their dislike of your community? And while we are at it, he probably dislikes the community because of people like you. We have gone full circle.

I am not even going to bother commenting on a lot of things you have said, but:

> My other comments are fairly trivial English. Surely you can very easily make something out of them.

Sounds condescending as well, but this is a minor nitpick. :)

[johnisgood]

He should be ashamed because he does not like your community?

[pdimitar]

No. He should be ashamed because he generalizes, realizes it, admits it and doubles down on it. That's not objective. That's just being stubborn. I can get those kinds of opinions in the local bar. I come to HN for higher-quality discussions.

And it's not "my" community. I don't belong to a single one so I don't emotionally defend any of them.

[hyperbrainer]

Honestly, that website is so far off the end of the sanity meter that I don't know what to say. Technically, you are right in that counterexamples exist. But on platforms like HN/techincal subreddits etc., never seen it myself, suggesting the problem is far less widespread than one might be initially moved to assume.

[pdimitar]

Yeah, same. Pointing at some loonie on Twitter who would be flagged out of existence here on HN is not an honest argument in the direction of "look, Rust fans are zealots!".

I mean, by that logic, people of my nationality would have to be fenced off and never allowed in other countries... because we do indeed have thousands of nasty scammers out there in the world.

99.99999% of us are chill, work, pay taxes, have fun etc.

So generalizations like the one that moved me to start pursuing the guy and not leave him alone until he ultimately said "it's just my anecdotal experience" (and stopped claiming it's universally true), because you know, we can pick ANY group, find several lunatics and claim the group is bad in this or that way.

As said to another guy a few minutes ago -- I can get such "opinions" in every bar. I come to HN for better discussions than this.